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spencerfvee Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 3071
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:37 pm Post subject: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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i just saw this on samba parts for sale . it looks well made . he said he tested it to 8,000rpm he said it worked great . he said it cooled the motor better . its
$89.00. its cast as one peace . no need for welled fan. he said its lighter than a stock fan . and should free up hp. what do you guys think? i want to try one .for my super charged motor . he said you have to tqr. to 45lbs i think this fan would be great for a bigger motors like a 2180 to a big 2400cc motor spencerfvee
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76902 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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spencerfvee Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 3071
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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thanks glen spencerfvee |
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evanfrucht Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 2180 Location: Laurel Canyon, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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I remember the thread where Andrig talks about his new lifters and told everyone he was working on this. _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
1964 Fury Wagon ( the pavement shredder ) |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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im waiting on the mechanical engineers here to explain the differences beween fan shapes and whether the above fan directs air the same. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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I ordered one, will report back. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51125 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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It looks alot like a supercharger impeller for a larger radial aircraft engine (in a crude way), that tech has been around since the 30's, I wonder why VW didn't use it to start with?
It'll be interesting to compare, get some readings with your current fan now so you have a baseline later. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Please don't PM technical questions, ask your problem in public so everyone can play along. If you think it's too stupid post it here
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Emeraldlion Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2005 Posts: 743 Location: Texarkana, TX
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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I think this is awesome. Just bought one. We need to support people trying fresh ideas and putting out new offerings. This seems like a neat idea, and all things considered is quite a fair price. _________________ 1967 Sunroof Beetle: tourist pass car
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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i agree it looks like a really nice concept and product especially given the price. o just wander what material? i only ask because of corrosion reasons. i would guess aluminum? _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
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Emeraldlion Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2005 Posts: 743 Location: Texarkana, TX
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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I don't know but just looking at the photo it looks composite to me _________________ 1967 Sunroof Beetle: tourist pass car
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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It’s a composite...he talks about it in his videos. |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3460 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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txoval wrote: |
It’s a composite...he talks about it in his videos. |
Any links to those videos? I been looking all over his site but dont see any |
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FarmerBill Samba Member
Joined: July 25, 2017 Posts: 766 Location: New England
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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Wonder what exactly the composite is. Not to crap on innovation, but I used to work with snowmobiles that had one piece composite fans and after a few years they would become brittle and go to pieces at high revs. You can guess what happens next to the engine. They also had a habit of breaking, no mater their age, when they struck the fan housing (usually due to a fan shaft bearing failure).
Just curious about the material, not trying to be negative, they may be the best upgrade for VW's in years. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21512 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
im waiting on the mechanical engineers here to explain the differences beween fan shapes and whether the above fan directs air the same. |
I have posted a lot in a few threads on fan types already...forward inclined...vs reverse inclined...classic blower vs squirrel cage etc. They all have merits and issues at different speeds and produce differing volume vs static pressure.
This one is built more like a constant speed turbine. Very cool!
The question will be how it works with the cooling tin/shroud and vanes inside.
For a new, limited run casting that complex...$89 is cheap. If I drove type 1's I would buy one just to see how it works ...and help him cover his costs for his effort!
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Tvättbjörn Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2004 Posts: 1431 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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busdaddy wrote: |
It looks alot like a supercharger impeller for a larger radial aircraft engine (in a crude way), that tech has been around since the 30's, I wonder why VW didn't use it to start with?
It'll be interesting to compare, get some readings with your current fan now so you have a baseline later. |
Would be also nice to get pressure readings factory vs new style. L + R side . Top of cylinder head tin where it connects to the fan housing. |
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Wreck Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2014 Posts: 1218 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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jpaull wrote: |
txoval wrote: |
It’s a composite...he talks about it in his videos. |
Any links to those videos? I been looking all over his site but dont see any |
The video's are on is FB page, Andrig's aircooled technology . |
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7212 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:59 am Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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Just remember, it has been proved over and over again that the stock type 1 fan shroud can only handle so much airflow, roughly 540 l/sec. if memory serves. so what will happen if the fan really is more efficient is that you will reach max cooling earlier in the rpms, which can be a good thing, especially in busses. The lighter unit is definitely a positive.
There have been several different attempts to improve cooling capacity on the type 1, with the type 1 shroud, including the ones we made back in the 90´s. They all failed. I wanna see real life comparisons before I jump in. _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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wheel607 Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2004 Posts: 1847
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:13 am Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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I want to see if the composite holds up for the 50+ years it should. The tilt of the turbines exceeds VWs specs. I dont remember when, ( I wasnt around) VW made this fan out of cast bakelite, 1938 0r 1939. This was a composite that didnt make the grade. It will take years to find out if Andrigs model will make the grade. We will be talking about this long after I am gone...........thats when you will find out if the composites hold together. Just like his lifters.......hope this isnt made in CHINA! |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12708 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:30 am Post subject: Re: new bigger type 1 fan that pushes more air cast as one peace |
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The most interesting thing to me would be what RPM range it is most efficient in. That would determine in my mind what sort of engine it would be an improvement on. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3460 Location: Paradise, Ca
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