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jwallis
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 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: Bug/Bus/Ghia/Vanagon starting circuit comparison |
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Hey all,
For someone who has lots of VWs, are the starting circuits on Vanagons effectively the same as classic aircooled bugs/buses/ghias...?
I'm hoping to open up selling www.thevantracker.com to other models and want to verify with someone that the starting circuits are all similarly simple. I know people put hard start relays in bugs and I can't think of any reason these circuits would be any different.
Thanks-
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jwallis
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Bug/Bus/Ghia/Vanagon starting circuit comparison |
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| charleslabri wrote: |
| youre looking for an electrical comparison, key to starter, yeah? |
Yes and that's pretty much what I thought. Thank you both. RatWell was a good thought. I found "The VW starting circuit (WW)" on his technical page which lead to
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wired/wired_03_01/wired_03_01.htm
which I'd seen long ago. And yeah, it's just as simple as one could imagine: battery -> starter switch -> starter solenoid.
I have to imagine it's the same basic circuit on most or all classic aircoolers...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Bug/Bus/Ghia/Vanagon starting circuit comparison |
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First was hand cranks. Next pedal operated starter switch. Then Bendix with fender mounted. Then VW's configuration for several decades, ignition starter (circuit 50) switch straight to the starter.
Lastly is modern requirements. Engine must not be running, must be in neutral, alarm disengaged, remote starting, remote kill, matching highly encripted security serial numbers, ad-infinitum.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Bug/Bus/Ghia/Vanagon starting circuit comparison |
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| dgbeatty wrote: |
First was hand cranks. Next pedal operated starter switch. Then Bendix with fender mounted. Then VW's configuration for several decades, ignition starter (circuit 50) switch straight to the starter.
Lastly is modern requirements. Engine must not be running, must be in neutral, alarm disengaged, remote starting, remote kill, matching highly encripted security serial numbers, ad-infinitum. |
Some day I imagine I'll have to buy a new car, and I don't relish the thought. Something I find personally offensive is the stupid touchscreen everything instead of having knobs, specifically for volume and a/c. You want to change the music volume or fan speed, you have to take your eyes off the road. It is unbelievable to me that we've apparently collectively decided to make that huge step backwards in safety.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Bug/Bus/Ghia/Vanagon starting circuit comparison |
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Sounds interesting...I don't know a lot about what it requires though..do I need a cell phone account for my vehicle ? Do I need one of those special cell phone antennas that cost $200-$400 on my vehicle ?
I think I have both a relay and a gear reduction starter.
If my wifi is down I can't get solid web connection on my Verizon phone and I can't hook up with wifi out in the garage. I've told Verizon a few times they need to pay kickbacks to Comcast cause without wifi their network is almost worthless. This is just 20 minutes out of high tech Seattle downtown core. I can't hook up even driving through ultra wealthy gated communities reliably.
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| Something I find personally offensive is the stupid touchscreen everything instead of having knobs, |
This would be adding a cell phone screen to my 1985 vehicle, sort of the thin end of the wedge of touch screen intrusion ehh ?
I've seen cell phone screen instrumentation with subi swaps too and of course Bluetooth with stereo...even Bluetooth only sort of works...music changes tone balance, shuts off or gets fouled with a welder running or can't figure out which Bluetooth speaker setup to play through.
I'm still sort of interested. But so often all these things seem to be a house of cards that easily and regularly fail enough that I stop bothering to use them. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Bug/Bus/Ghia/Vanagon starting circuit comparison |
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| djkeev wrote: |
| In the world of modern cars, the KISS theory is dead. Dave |
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