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Betweentwoferns Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2019 Posts: 23 Location: Ventura County
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:09 pm Post subject: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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Howdy,
Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere I think I found what looks like to be a crack in the block.
none the less, I drove it from Southern California to Zion, Utah last year and it did great, but it was a brutal drive.
I have been heavily researching Subaru engine swaps, but I wanted to keep the nostalgic feel of the bus alive, with that being said, does anyone recommend any people/ shops in Ventura County-Los Angeles County, and or in Southern California, that sell engines?
I will attach a photo of what I currently have in the bus.
much appreciated y'all!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2198621.jpg
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alman72 Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2014 Posts: 2573 Location: MICHIGAN
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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i think you should expand your search nationwide, but get that shipping/install breakin by the same builder is a good thing to have nearby. you will have better luck in cali that us midwesterners. I sometimes think about grabbing a spare, if it is a good build, but have been holding off, just worried it would sit for too long before i need it.
May want to edit down your pics. 7 same pics of engine bay. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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Just be aware that if you put in an engine swap from a car later than 1975 you will run into the State's smog laws. In California smog law follows the latter of model year of the car or engine. The only thing that the 1975 cut off is for anyway is the testing. Everything from about 1968 to 1975 is still under the smog laws, you just aren't tested on a biannual test but you still can be remote sniffer, or pulled over at a mobile testing check point. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51152 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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Betweentwoferns wrote: |
.........Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere I think I found what looks like to be a crack in the block........ |
Pics please, sounds improbable unless it was accompanied by some loud knocking or clattering noises just beforehand. There's lots of places that can spring leaks, most are easily repaired, lets see yours.
Type 4 cases are covered in casting lines that look like cracks to the untrained eye, don't write it off yet.
Although that carb has to go. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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I'd look at Headflow masters in Vista, CA for a new/rebuilt long block.
https://www.headflowmasters.com/vw-longblocks.html
For a quote you may Contact Us by email or call us at 760.727.1827(cell) or 760.536.3541(office)
then you'll still need to update that fuel system _________________
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Betweentwoferns Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2019 Posts: 23 Location: Ventura County
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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alman72 wrote: |
i think you should expand your search nationwide, but get that shipping/install breakin by the same builder is a good thing to have nearby. you will have better luck in cali that us midwesterners. I sometimes think about grabbing a spare, if it is a good build, but have been holding off, just worried it would sit for too long before i need it.
May want to edit down your pics. 7 same pics of engine bay. |
Thank you! I think I fixed the repetitive pictures. Anywho, yeah-I am new to the VW culture, and although it has been so much easier to find support and knowledge base articles with my bus then my 72’ BMW, I still am
Torn on whether I should try to fix what I have now. I appreciate your response! |
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Betweentwoferns Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2019 Posts: 23 Location: Ventura County
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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SGKent wrote: |
Just be aware that if you put in an engine swap from a car later than 1975 you will run into the State's smog laws. In California smog law follows the latter of model year of the car or engine. The only thing that the 1975 cut off is for anyway is the testing. Everything from about 1968 to 1975 is still under the smog laws, you just aren't tested on a biannual test but you still can be remote sniffer, or pulled over at a mobile testing check point. |
You are 100% correct on this, luckily the only was I would get pulled over would be for driving to slow haha, but you have a valid point here. I would prefer to keep its original bones! |
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Betweentwoferns Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2019 Posts: 23 Location: Ventura County
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Betweentwoferns wrote: |
.........Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere I think I found what looks like to be a crack in the block........ |
Pics please, sounds improbable unless it was accompanied by some loud knocking or clattering noises just beforehand. There's lots of places that can spring leaks, most are easily repaired, lets see yours.
Type 4 cases are covered in casting lines that look like cracks to the untrained eye, don't write it off yet.
Although that carb has to go. |
Funny you say that, I was thinking when I drove back from Utah that these engines must be bullet proof! I went from 90°F and above through Nevada to 20°F in Utah and only had to stop for either gas and or a restroom break, the temp was solid all the way through the trip and have only done maybe 10-20 miles since last year.
Also, what do you recommend as for a replacement of the carb, I have had plenty of people say the same thing! Even a really nice guy who pulled over to help me when I broke down (for the issue with spitting oil) a few months back in Los Angeles. |
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Betweentwoferns Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2019 Posts: 23 Location: Ventura County
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
I'd look at Headflow masters in Vista, CA for a new/rebuilt long block.
https://www.headflowmasters.com/vw-longblocks.html
For a quote you may Contact Us by email or call us at 760.727.1827(cell) or 760.536.3541(office)
then you'll still need to update that fuel system |
Right on! Thank you!
From your experience, do you know if they ever
Go to Pomona Swapmeet? I know the next one is August 15th, and I plan on getting either an engine or fix my issues with the bus by then. |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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I’m between projects
Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere
I don’t see the breather vent plumbed into the air cleaner or overboard. This with cause oily residue all over the place _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2205 Location: seattle
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:25 am Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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do you mean shattered crankcase, along the top? That's where a con rod would blow through, the rest of the Type IV case is strong, but the top is thin.
"Pictures or it didn't happen." <<<<I'm sorry I had to type this< <<<
seriously that looks like a very clean un-blown engine. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:37 am Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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Betweentwoferns wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
Betweentwoferns wrote: |
.........Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere I think I found what looks like to be a crack in the block........ |
Pics please, sounds improbable unless it was accompanied by some loud knocking or clattering noises just beforehand. There's lots of places that can spring leaks, most are easily repaired, lets see yours.
Type 4 cases are covered in casting lines that look like cracks to the untrained eye, don't write it off yet.
Although that carb has to go. |
Funny you say that, I was thinking when I drove back from Utah that these engines must be bullet proof! I went from 90°F and above through Nevada to 20°F in Utah and only had to stop for either gas and or a restroom break, the temp was solid all the way through the trip and have only done maybe 10-20 miles since last year.
Also, what do you recommend as for a replacement of the carb, I have had plenty of people say the same thing! Even a really nice guy who pulled over to help me when I broke down (for the issue with spitting oil) a few months back in Los Angeles. |
I would recommend sourcing the FUel injection system so your car is legal.
Reach out to Robbie at airschooled.com to get you through this
You are running on borrowed legal time with a carbed 1975, if you get inspected for any reason you will fail for emissions tampering.
It is also a better , cleaner, more reliable system ...what’s not to love? _________________ .ssS! |
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AshC Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2021 Posts: 59 Location: N. Essex, UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:12 am Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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Aeromech said: "I don’t see the breather vent plumbed into the air cleaner or overboard. This with cause oily residue all over the place"
Indeed it will. I've driven behind a bus (worn engine to be fair) with just that hose loose at the PCV - never mind missing altogether - and it took a fair amount of cleaning off the front of the car after an hour of driving in the wake of that. _________________ - 79 CA FI Bay Window Bus
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Globespotter Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2012 Posts: 1770 Location: Newmarket, ON
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Cap10323 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 604 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:53 am Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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I'm with the above posters. If the engine is still running fine, just leaking oil. I doubt the case is cracked.
These engines can leak oil from a myriad of places. Pushrod tube seals, crankshaft seals (front or rear), valve covers, breather, etc etc. Likewise, these engines have a lot of sharp casting lines on them, especially on the underside of the case, which could look like cracks to the untrained eye.
Determine where the oil is coming from, not where its dripping from.
That being said, as far as engine replacements go. I would stick with the Type 4. It's a great engine if you understand it's capabilities and limitations IMO, and the prices on rebuilt long blocks from places like HeadflowMasters are extremely competitive. I think you would be very hard pressed to do a subaru swap for less, unless you bought a junkyard engine and did all the work yourself.
Not to mention, if you stick with the stock engine, you don't need to do all the supporting modifications a Subaru conversion entails (building a cooling system, modifying the electrical system, fuel system, engine bay, clutch etc etc). _________________ -Ian
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otiswesty Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2006 Posts: 1731 Location: Portland
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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Much cheaper to repair than to do a conversion to Suby. Don't be sucker for a flashy website and groomed customer testimonials. _________________ 1978 Sage Green P22 Westfalia
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:22 am Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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otiswesty wrote: |
Much cheaper to repair than to do a conversion to Suby. Don't be sucker for a flashy website and groomed customer testimonials. |
If you go Sooby, go to skills in CT. Satisfied Soobys and Saguaros _________________ .ssS! |
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Betweentwoferns Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2019 Posts: 23 Location: Ventura County
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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Finally had time to look at the engine, looks like I found the problem.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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the engine is junk. You threw a rod. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. |
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Big problem but JB Weld might fix it _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
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VW Jetta
VW Passat
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