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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:09 pm    Post subject: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

Howdy,

Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere I think I found what looks like to be a crack in the block.

none the less, I drove it from Southern California to Zion, Utah last year and it did great, but it was a brutal drive.

I have been heavily researching Subaru engine swaps, but I wanted to keep the nostalgic feel of the bus alive, with that being said, does anyone recommend any people/ shops in Ventura County-Los Angeles County, and or in Southern California, that sell engines?

I will attach a photo of what I currently have in the bus.

much appreciated y'all!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

i think you should expand your search nationwide, but get that shipping/install breakin by the same builder is a good thing to have nearby. you will have better luck in cali that us midwesterners. I sometimes think about grabbing a spare, if it is a good build, but have been holding off, just worried it would sit for too long before i need it.
May want to edit down your pics. 7 same pics of engine bay.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

Just be aware that if you put in an engine swap from a car later than 1975 you will run into the State's smog laws. In California smog law follows the latter of model year of the car or engine. The only thing that the 1975 cut off is for anyway is the testing. Everything from about 1968 to 1975 is still under the smog laws, you just aren't tested on a biannual test but you still can be remote sniffer, or pulled over at a mobile testing check point.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

Betweentwoferns wrote:
.........Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere I think I found what looks like to be a crack in the block........

Pics please, sounds improbable unless it was accompanied by some loud knocking or clattering noises just beforehand. There's lots of places that can spring leaks, most are easily repaired, lets see yours.
Type 4 cases are covered in casting lines that look like cracks to the untrained eye, don't write it off yet.

Although that carb has to go.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

I'd look at Headflow masters in Vista, CA for a new/rebuilt long block.
https://www.headflowmasters.com/vw-longblocks.html
For a quote you may Contact Us by email or call us at 760.727.1827(cell) or 760.536.3541(office)

then you'll still need to update that fuel system
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

alman72 wrote:
i think you should expand your search nationwide, but get that shipping/install breakin by the same builder is a good thing to have nearby. you will have better luck in cali that us midwesterners. I sometimes think about grabbing a spare, if it is a good build, but have been holding off, just worried it would sit for too long before i need it.
May want to edit down your pics. 7 same pics of engine bay.


Thank you! I think I fixed the repetitive pictures. Anywho, yeah-I am new to the VW culture, and although it has been so much easier to find support and knowledge base articles with my bus then my 72’ BMW, I still am
Torn on whether I should try to fix what I have now. I appreciate your response!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

SGKent wrote:
Just be aware that if you put in an engine swap from a car later than 1975 you will run into the State's smog laws. In California smog law follows the latter of model year of the car or engine. The only thing that the 1975 cut off is for anyway is the testing. Everything from about 1968 to 1975 is still under the smog laws, you just aren't tested on a biannual test but you still can be remote sniffer, or pulled over at a mobile testing check point.


You are 100% correct on this, luckily the only was I would get pulled over would be for driving to slow haha, but you have a valid point here. I would prefer to keep its original bones!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
Betweentwoferns wrote:
.........Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere I think I found what looks like to be a crack in the block........

Pics please, sounds improbable unless it was accompanied by some loud knocking or clattering noises just beforehand. There's lots of places that can spring leaks, most are easily repaired, lets see yours.
Type 4 cases are covered in casting lines that look like cracks to the untrained eye, don't write it off yet.

Although that carb has to go.


Funny you say that, I was thinking when I drove back from Utah that these engines must be bullet proof! I went from 90°F and above through Nevada to 20°F in Utah and only had to stop for either gas and or a restroom break, the temp was solid all the way through the trip and have only done maybe 10-20 miles since last year.

Also, what do you recommend as for a replacement of the carb, I have had plenty of people say the same thing! Even a really nice guy who pulled over to help me when I broke down (for the issue with spitting oil) a few months back in Los Angeles.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:
I'd look at Headflow masters in Vista, CA for a new/rebuilt long block.
https://www.headflowmasters.com/vw-longblocks.html
For a quote you may Contact Us by email or call us at 760.727.1827(cell) or 760.536.3541(office)

then you'll still need to update that fuel system


Right on! Thank you!
From your experience, do you know if they ever
Go to Pomona Swapmeet? I know the next one is August 15th, and I plan on getting either an engine or fix my issues with the bus by then.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

I’m between projects

Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere

I don’t see the breather vent plumbed into the air cleaner or overboard. This with cause oily residue all over the place
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:25 am    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

do you mean shattered crankcase, along the top? That's where a con rod would blow through, the rest of the Type IV case is strong, but the top is thin.
"Pictures or it didn't happen." <<<<I'm sorry I had to type this< <<<
seriously that looks like a very clean un-blown engine.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:37 am    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

Betweentwoferns wrote:
busdaddy wrote:
Betweentwoferns wrote:
.........Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere I think I found what looks like to be a crack in the block........

Pics please, sounds improbable unless it was accompanied by some loud knocking or clattering noises just beforehand. There's lots of places that can spring leaks, most are easily repaired, lets see yours.
Type 4 cases are covered in casting lines that look like cracks to the untrained eye, don't write it off yet.

Although that carb has to go.


Funny you say that, I was thinking when I drove back from Utah that these engines must be bullet proof! I went from 90°F and above through Nevada to 20°F in Utah and only had to stop for either gas and or a restroom break, the temp was solid all the way through the trip and have only done maybe 10-20 miles since last year.

Also, what do you recommend as for a replacement of the carb, I have had plenty of people say the same thing! Even a really nice guy who pulled over to help me when I broke down (for the issue with spitting oil) a few months back in Los Angeles.


I would recommend sourcing the FUel injection system so your car is legal.

Reach out to Robbie at airschooled.com to get you through this

You are running on borrowed legal time with a carbed 1975, if you get inspected for any reason you will fail for emissions tampering.

It is also a better , cleaner, more reliable system ...what’s not to love?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:12 am    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

Aeromech said: "I don’t see the breather vent plumbed into the air cleaner or overboard. This with cause oily residue all over the place"

Indeed it will. I've driven behind a bus (worn engine to be fair) with just that hose loose at the PCV - never mind missing altogether - and it took a fair amount of cleaning off the front of the car after an hour of driving in the wake of that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
Betweentwoferns wrote:
.........Upon triaging my bus today for issues with oil spitting everywhere I think I found what looks like to be a crack in the block........

Pics please, sounds improbable unless it was accompanied by some loud knocking or clattering noises just beforehand. There's lots of places that can spring leaks, most are easily repaired, lets see yours.
Type 4 cases are covered in casting lines that look like cracks to the untrained eye, don't write it off yet.

Although that carb has to go.


I'm with busdaddy. Don't be too quick to assume you need a new engine.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

I'm with the above posters. If the engine is still running fine, just leaking oil. I doubt the case is cracked.

These engines can leak oil from a myriad of places. Pushrod tube seals, crankshaft seals (front or rear), valve covers, breather, etc etc. Likewise, these engines have a lot of sharp casting lines on them, especially on the underside of the case, which could look like cracks to the untrained eye.

Determine where the oil is coming from, not where its dripping from.


That being said, as far as engine replacements go. I would stick with the Type 4. It's a great engine if you understand it's capabilities and limitations IMO, and the prices on rebuilt long blocks from places like HeadflowMasters are extremely competitive. I think you would be very hard pressed to do a subaru swap for less, unless you bought a junkyard engine and did all the work yourself.

Not to mention, if you stick with the stock engine, you don't need to do all the supporting modifications a Subaru conversion entails (building a cooling system, modifying the electrical system, fuel system, engine bay, clutch etc etc).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

Much cheaper to repair than to do a conversion to Suby. Don't be sucker for a flashy website and groomed customer testimonials.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:22 am    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

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Much cheaper to repair than to do a conversion to Suby. Don't be sucker for a flashy website and groomed customer testimonials.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

Finally had time to look at the engine, looks like I found the problem.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

the engine is junk. You threw a rod.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 1975 VW Westfalia - I am in need of a new Engine. Reply with quote

Big problem but JB Weld might fix it
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