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evanfrucht Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 2180 Location: Laurel Canyon, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:53 am Post subject: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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This post is a bit boring but I know a lot of us run performance engines without heat.
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What are some creative, clean, and simple ways to block off those protuding heater ducts/holes/tubes in the body that those black plastic accordion like pieces attach to (under the luggage/rear well area?)
I figure those holes are letting unwanted noise and potentially fumes into the cabin so I want to do something about it. The various control flaps inside the car are far from air tight. I have an idea but wanted to see what others have done.
Thanks,
Evan _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3438 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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Freeze plugs Glue, clamp or weld in place |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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stuff green tennis balls in there _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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flat4olsen Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2014 Posts: 342 Location: Denmark, Europe
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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Agreed, tennis balls. Perfect fit and easy to remove. _________________ Type 1 1968, Lotosweiss. 2109 oxyboxer engine
Early Bay 1970, Montana Red. Under construction |
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dunk Samba Member
Joined: April 02, 2006 Posts: 161
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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Plastic tops from - spray paint cans... or lubricating oil spray cans. or brake clean... or...whatever aerosols you have lying around!.... most.. not all... fit... and slip under the little side clips on the protruding tube "stubs" pretty good. |
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FarmerBill Samba Member
Joined: July 25, 2017 Posts: 766 Location: New England
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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Oatey gripper plug. You can replace the wing nut with a hex to get it really tight. |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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Cut that shit out and weld it flat. Save room and weight and it looks clean. I'm sure the purist are crying right now lol. Diesle and gas heater work better anyhow. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
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'69 RIP
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9759 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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^^^ While this may be a fine idea for a driver that doesn't care for heat in the colder months. Some of us want heat.
I can run three different engines in my 67,
1600 SP with heater boxes.
1679 with heater boxes.
2180, depending on the exhaust I run, Junk EMPI header with J tubes, Junk EMPI header with heater boxes, or CSP EVO with heater boxes.
I want to be able to connect the heat when it's needed. There's nothing worse than foggy windows on a cool dark fall morning.
I found that when the tubes weren't connected to the body of the car. I'd get residual heat and fumes in the cabin when running the J tubes. Even with the controls in the closed position.
I just used tape to cover the heat tube connections. But now that I'm reading this thread. I'll try some of the suggestions above.
Other than the cutting and welding idea. To each his/her own. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76907 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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2.5" pvc cap. Used duct tape to make it a tight fit then cover with undercoat. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6025 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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I did what Chickensoup said except I used aluminum plate that I first used black silicone sealant at the mating surfaces and then instead of welding I stainless steel pop riveted.
As for the heater channels the run from the back of the bug to the front, I slammed A long galvinized 2" ( I think ) Pipe through each channel and drilled 3/8" holes through the body of the car and through the pipe. Fastened with Domed bolts. If I was not going to have heat at least I was going to have a more ridge frame . _________________ email: [email protected]
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12714 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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In many jurisdictions a car without defrost is not street legal. Check your local laws. Not sure about heat but you have to be able to see to drive in most places. Pretty basic safety requirement. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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tattooed_pariah Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2006 Posts: 2047 Location: El Cajon, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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oprn wrote: |
In many jurisdictions a car without defrost is not street legal. Check your local laws. Not sure about heat but you have to be able to see to drive in most places. Pretty basic safety requirement. |
let's be honest, most of of have at least 3 or 4 things on our cars that are not "street-legal"...
hell, if a cop really wants to be a dick about it, technically, hanging ANYTHING from your rear view mirror "obstructs your vision" and they can cite you for it.. _________________ -pariah (just a novice from "that other VW site")
'72 Volksrod "Effigy"
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12714 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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I must confess to running without a horn for many years. I did find it curtailed my road rage though but no other dire consequences were experienced. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2222 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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I used spray paint caps and silicone. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
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Teeroy Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2003 Posts: 3685 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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Most states in the US don't have any kind of safety inspections, the ones that do are pretty basic compared to Europe or Canada. _________________ Pres. Rivercity VW Club www.rcvwclub.org
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6025 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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Well first emissions. In NY state, until a car was over 25 years old you had to have emissions tests. After 25 you do not get tested for emissions??? Fine with me-- I guess after 25 years magic happens and you do not put out emissions?? My wife will tell you differently, I come home from a long drive and she says, take a shower you stink.
As for other league things --
Way low dropped front end,
5 mph bumpers removed and slice thin bumpers are on the car.
Oh and T-4 engine not original equipment ( by the way that is why alot of guys in Europe went with my Cali Style Upright Conversion, that used stock VW fanhousing. The officials could not tell that the engine was a T-4 looks like a T-1"
Seriously I get stopped by the police quite often, only to talk about the car and sometimes take photos behind the wheel. _________________ email: [email protected]
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9759 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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oprn wrote: |
In many jurisdictions a car without defrost is not street legal. Check your local laws. Not sure about heat but you have to be able to see to drive in most places. Pretty basic safety requirement. |
Maybe on newer cars.
But a vintage car failing an inspection for no defrost? I kinda question that.
Your family had aircooled VW's in the past. Did they fail the road worthyness inspections, because the front windshield was a bit foggy? Not likely!
That said. I still like to see clearly during early fall/winter mornings on the way to work. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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Jason37 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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oprn wrote: |
I must confess to running without a horn for many years. I did find it curtailed my road rage though but no other dire consequences were experienced. |
I’m calling the Mounties.
But on type 3’s they have a mount that bolts to the body, remove that and cover with a flat plate with some weather strip. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9759 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing heater ducts under car (for J tubes w/ out heater boxes) |
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Jason37 wrote: |
oprn wrote: |
I must confess to running without a horn for many years. I did find it curtailed my road rage though but no other dire consequences were experienced. |
I’m calling the Mounties.
But on type 3’s they have a mount that bolts to the body, remove that and cover with a flat plate with some weather strip. |
I already did! _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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