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Hodence Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2020 Posts: 87 Location: Newburyport, MA, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:43 am Post subject: Why don’t I have Low beams? |
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I’ve been working on the wiring in my bay window bus. And I got headlights to work! But only on one setting. I think it’s high beams (I honestly can’t tell, these old headlights are dim!) I tracked it down to that the white wire on my headlight plug doesn’t get much voltage (like 5mv) that went back all the way to my headlight switch. When pulled all the way out, it provides 12ish volts of power to the headlight dimmer relay and therefore, the headlights. But when pulled out only one stop, the black and white wire for the headlight dimmer only gets a few milivolts. That can’t be correct, right? Is it just a bad switch? Not sure and I don’t have much time to sort it out. I have an inspection coming up. Please help! |
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ImAddicted Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2012 Posts: 1195 Location: Unorganized Territory, Maine
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Why don’t I have Low beams? |
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Did you check your fuses? The low beam and high beam have separate fuses.
Does the relay click when you pull the lever to dip beams?
One click on the headlight switch is parking lights only. Also, if this is a North American bus, the headlights will not work if the key isn't in the run position. Disconnect the green wire off the coil if leaving the key on for more than a minute or two so you don't burn out your points. _________________ 1979 Transporter (sold)
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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timvw7476 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Why don’t I have Low beams? |
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with the headlight switch out one click, that's parking lights only. The high beam relay should not be energized enough to click, as it's not powered up.
All the way out is when the beam relay is fully activated & responds to the dimmer lever. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51150 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Why don’t I have Low beams? |
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12 ish volts can be solved by disconnecting and cleaning every electrical junction from the starter, to the fuse box and to all the switches and what they control, cleaning the grounds for them is also time well spent, those lights can be bright with a bit of work.
The trigger wire for high beams should be brown/white, where does that black/white wire come from? It also works by momentarily grounding the relay to change beams when the headlights are on (switch knob pulled out fully). _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3555 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Why don’t I have Low beams? |
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I’ve been working on the wiring in my bay window bus. And I got headlights to work! But only on one setting. I think it’s high beams (I honestly can’t tell, these old headlights are dim!) I tracked it down to that the white wire on my headlight plug doesn’t get much voltage (like 5mv) that went back all the way to my headlight switch. |
The white wire (a bright color) is high beams. the yellow wire (a dimmer color) is low beams. Neither wire should go to the headlight switch - both go (via fuses) to the headlight dimmer relay. The black/white wire from the dimmer relay goes to (and supplies power from) the headlight switch.
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When pulled all the way out, it provides 12ish volts of power to the headlight dimmer relay and therefore, the headlights. But when pulled out only one stop, the black and white wire for the headlight dimmer only gets a few milivolts. That can’t be correct, right? |
It is correct - the black/white wire only has power when the headlight switch is pulled out two stops.
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Is it just a bad switch? |
The headlight switch is most likely OK.
You didn't state the year of your bus, so here's a highlighted '71 schematic to show what's going on:
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Tbob Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Why don’t I have Low beams? |
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I just had this recently on my 73. the low beams(yellow wire at the headlight plug) was getting no voltage, and yet the relay was clicking. High beams worked fine, but when the relay clicked to the low beam setting no lights.
Took the cover off the relay and found a slight pit/burn on the low beam side of the relay points. Burnished it with a regulator points file(fine, fine cutting) and the headlights returned. Obviously, a new relay in in order, but it did diagnose the problem for me. By the way, the relay isn't made to be opened, but by carefully bending the tabs allowed me to get it apart. _________________ 1969 Deluxe, owned since 1973
1973 Westfalia, owned since 1983
1980 Westfalia, watercooled conversion
1985 Westfalia, stock!
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Hodence Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2020 Posts: 87 Location: Newburyport, MA, USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Why don’t I have Low beams? |
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Thank you for all the responses guys!
Still a little confused. I might just be a dumba*s, but how do you actually turn on high beams versus low beams? On my light switch/pull-knob one stop is running lights and two stops is headlights on, but by what people said, thats only low beams. How do i turn on high beams? My bus is a 1974 if that makes a difference.
I didn't hear a click when i was last working on the headlight system, but i was also blasting Black Sabbath, so I'll have to be a little more attentive today |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51150 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Why don’t I have Low beams? |
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When the headlight switch is pulled to the second click high/low beam is switched by pulling back on the signal switch, the relay should click and lock in whatever mode you chose, next pull switches back to the last, etc... _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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ImAddicted Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2012 Posts: 1195 Location: Unorganized Territory, Maine
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Why don’t I have Low beams? |
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The same lever you use to activate your directional also is the high\low beam switch… just like a modern car. _________________ 1979 Transporter (sold)
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