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chrismsnt Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2018 Posts: 247 Location: Cumming, GA
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback [resolved] |
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Sodo wrote: |
Wow nightmare.
I agree with all skills wrote.
Fixing electrical problems with no wiring diagram.
I think you'd have to agree to pay for diagnostic, with the understanding that if they don't find the problem, you still have to pay for their diagnostic time. |
I got them the wiring diagram. It was a harness purchased from http://syncrosport.com/ and the gentleman was giving them ALL sorts of direction on what it could have been via email. Wes never responded to them once (I asked Andrew). Again, I tried to unblock any barriers I could with the actual people would built or supplied parts for this engine. All were chiming in but got zero interactions. _________________ Chris
1989 T3 Vanagon 16" Syncro
1967 Squareback
https://vwvandiesel.com
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chrismsnt Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2018 Posts: 247 Location: Cumming, GA
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
holy shit....what a mess |
That's putting it mildly.
Glad to hear this chapter is done and the OP is on to next steps.
It sounds like it was 8 hours of the shop owner's time with his pick up and trailer plus gas. So yeah, hundreds of $ in time and gas for the shop owner. Whew!
Everyone involved finally got over the barrier of sunk costs and terminated the mess.
Specializing in Vanagon service takes a certain amount of gumption that should be admired. |
I have to agree with you however from a customer's view. Let's not forget that he said he'd be done in July. My son and I had to drive up there (6 hours round trip) only for him to "find out" it wasn't ready. That's my fault? Not only that but I was up there by noon (when I told him I'd be there) and didn't depart until 6 pm that night. In the end, I pulled the plug on this. He wanted to keep "working on it". I've come to find out that a few things are broken at this point. I think the "relationship" has taken it's course. _________________ Chris
1989 T3 Vanagon 16" Syncro
1967 Squareback
https://vwvandiesel.com
Instagram @VW_VanDiesel
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12103 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback [resolved] |
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Why are you unnecessarily complicating your engine? A mTDI is dirt simple, requires no wiring diagrams and has no limp mode. I have both, and the manual version is far far less trouble. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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chrismsnt Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2018 Posts: 247 Location: Cumming, GA
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback [resolved] |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
Why are you unnecessarily complicating your engine? A mTDI is dirt simple, requires no wiring diagrams and has no limp mode. I have both, and the manual version is far far less trouble. |
I just imported this from the UK in Oct 2020. Just going through things STILL. Figuring out how things were done. I've gutted the van at this point to address some other things. It's down to a fairly bare-ish interior where I can build it up. I'm using this time to get the engine to be solid. _________________ Chris
1989 T3 Vanagon 16" Syncro
1967 Squareback
https://vwvandiesel.com
Instagram @VW_VanDiesel |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9776 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback |
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chrismsnt wrote: |
...Let's not forget that he said he'd be done in July... |
A well-known local mechanic tells his customers:
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It's okay to lie to me about when you need it... because I'm going to lie to you about when it will be done. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback |
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Ahwahnee wrote: |
A well-known local mechanic tells his customers:
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It's okay to lie to me about when you need it... because I'm going to lie to you about when it will be done. |
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i should use that line
i do very little 'hobby car' work these days because of issues like this. one is getting quality parts and two is having an owner that 'gets it'.
my other favorite thing (at least here in CT) is say they drove the car all summer and come november when they park it, it had some issues they wanted sorted. car sits all winter and the first 45* day the phone rings and all of a sudden they want it yesterday.
i think the o/p's big issue was the communication break down. it doesn't reflect well on the shop for the lack of communication.
i've told people in the past i'd rather them be pissed at me for being honest rather than them being pissed for a substandard job.
i know the o/p mentioned VCDS....which is only part of the puzzle. there still is nothing worse than sorting thru a rats nest of butt connectors and extension wires that change colors 4 times by the time they get to where they need to be.
i still think the shop should have just passed on the whole deal or agreed to fix what was in their wheelhouse. the whole situation sucks for all parties involved _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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dkoesyncro Samba Member
Joined: December 10, 2006 Posts: 981
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback [resolved] |
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The early TDI was very simple even in electrical management, if you haven't gotten codes those early N75 valves will fail and not build boost, if you are actually running some variation of an AFN and you have a vnt turbo, the vanes could be gummed up. With a vnt, you can't light foot it, these need to spool and generate heat. It's possible you may be having a fuel temp sensor starting to act out...
It's possible you've lost the waste gate, these have been known to just fall of and end up downstream in the exhaust? |
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chrismsnt Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2018 Posts: 247 Location: Cumming, GA
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback [resolved] |
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dkoesyncro wrote: |
The early TDI was very simple even in electrical management, if you haven't gotten codes those early N75 valves will fail and not build boost, if you are actually running some variation of an AFN and you have a vnt turbo, the vanes could be gummed up. With a vnt, you can't light foot it, these need to spool and generate heat. It's possible you may be having a fuel temp sensor starting to act out...
It's possible you've lost the waste gate, these have been known to just fall of and end up downstream in the exhaust? |
Thank you! This is EXACTLY where I'm going to start out in the next couple of days. I'm just going to rip off the turbo for my own piece of mind. With that, I can look at (or for LOL) the wastegate all at the same time.
I actually had a friend look at my log capture from VCDS and he's betting it's the wastegate. _________________ Chris
1989 T3 Vanagon 16" Syncro
1967 Squareback
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback [resolved] |
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I've had a bad wastegate on my 1.8t.. it acted kinda weird.
and in a different weird way to my brother's failed wastegate.. his was the actuator diaphragm ruptured.. and wouldn't regulate boost
mine the gate wouldn't close completely had a nice 'jingle' to the exhaust tone and wouldn't build boost. _________________
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16474 Location: Brookeville, MD
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chrismsnt Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2018 Posts: 247 Location: Cumming, GA
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback [resolved] |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
I've had a bad wastegate on my 1.8t.. it acted kinda weird.
and in a different weird way to my brother's failed wastegate.. his was the actuator diaphragm ruptured.. and wouldn't regulate boost
mine the gate wouldn't close completely had a nice 'jingle' to the exhaust tone and wouldn't build boost. |
I'm getting this strange, high pitch boost noise which seems it's only around when the engine is cold or several minutes of running. Perhaps boost leak but have yet to track this one down! You can barely hear it when in first but hear it in the background right after the shift to 2nd. https://1drv.ms/v/s!AtYbOvhBZ0OEjpV2FQTh1VPrpOl_2w _________________ Chris
1989 T3 Vanagon 16" Syncro
1967 Squareback
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greebly Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2009 Posts: 965 Location: Here and now
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Westy Motorwerks, Asheville, NC - issues and feedback [resolved] |
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Possible Diverter valve? |
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