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bugcity4154
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 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:20 pm Post subject: What is this? |
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Anyone know what this part is or if it's available? I can't find the name or part number... accidentally cut through it when I cut through the shock tower bolt. (Circled in red).
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Michael Ambrozik
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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| So sorry but that is part of the chassis and they never made replacements. It is welded to the torque tube. By the way it is cast and welding cast is never very good. |
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raydog
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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I can't see how that is possible.
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Dan the workingstiff
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Post a picture of what happened. May not be as bad as you think, then again maybe.....
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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| Michael Ambrozik wrote: |
| So sorry but that is part of the chassis and they never made replacements. It is welded to the torque tube. By the way it is cast and welding cast is never very good. |
Then how did it get welded to the chassis in the first place ??????
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Starbucket
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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| If you use the right welding rod, bevel the parts, and pre heat the parts any skilled arc welder could weld it. |
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Q-Dog
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Plenty of buggy and kit car folks weld onto the shock tower. It is not at all like welding cast iron. It actually seems more like a forging than a casting.
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raydog
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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| Michael Ambrozik wrote: |
| So sorry but that is part of the chassis and they never made replacements. It is welded to the torque tube. By the way it is cast and welding cast is never very good. |
I think what he is saying is that it was never a replaceable part. It is not a wear or maintenance item, so why would it ever be reproduced?
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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It's not cast, it's forged, it'll weld like any other steel part.
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raydog
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| It's not cast, it's forged, it'll weld like any other steel part. |
Got it, but it is not going to be found in the parts book.
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VW_Jimbo 
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Find it in the classified section.
Found it!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2459400
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GArBa
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:44 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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depending on the extension of the "scar" the OP inflicted to it, it may be repaired by welding and machining.
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Michael Ambrozik
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:04 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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| Sorry for saying it was cast. It is forged but the look of a casting. As far as welding you just need the right type of weld with the right amount of heat for penetration. |
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Q-Dog
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:21 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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| Michael Ambrozik wrote: |
| Sorry for saying it was cast. It is forged but the look of a casting. As far as welding you just need the right type of weld with the right amount of heat for penetration. |
Can you explain the difference between cast and forged? And while you are at it, what kind of weld and how much heat should I use?
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Michael Ambrozik
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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"Forging and casting are two very different manufacturing processes used to manipulate the shape of metal. In the casting process, metal is heated until molten. Then it is poured into a mold or vessel to create a desired shape. In the forging process, material is pressed or hammered into a certain shape while still maintaining a solid state."
As far as welding you will need to look it up as there are different methods to do so. |
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FreeBug
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Straight up MIG, nothing fancy. I once had to build back up the lower stops on that part, just successive layers of weld, holds fine.
As for a replacement part...i don't know...I have a '68 wuth one "old" style on one side, one "new" style on the other. I had 2 '68s, managed to keep 1, and I'm not sure if it's that one...or the other. either way, it's weird, maybe the factory was using up old stock...? |
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Q-Dog
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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| Michael Ambrozik wrote: |
"Forging and casting are two very different manufacturing processes used to manipulate the shape of metal. In the casting process, metal is heated until molten. Then it is poured into a mold or vessel to create a desired shape. In the forging process, material is pressed or hammered into a certain shape while still maintaining a solid state."
As far as welding you will need to look it up as there are different methods to do so. |
Now that you have looked it up on wiki, do you understand the difference or do you need someone to explain it? (In the case of the shock towers, they are likely pressed into a mold while red hot then machined after they cool.)
No, I don't need to look anything up for the welding part either.
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