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SoloTheSyncro Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2021 Posts: 51 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:59 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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Looking to upgrade the '90 Syncro with stainless exhaust... What's your favorite? Gowesty vs Vancafe etc.? We are in CA so the CAT is super expensive and hoping to also get a bit more performance out the 2.1L with a $2K investment. Would love to hear your thoughts! Thank you |
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MayorMcCheese Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2009 Posts: 652 Location: Lancaster PA
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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I've had multiple issues with the GoWesty stainless exhaust (although they did cover the cracked headers under warranty), not to mention it's made from some 400 grade stainless instead of 304.
The vintage speed one looks nice, depends what grade of steel the headers are. |
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SoloTheSyncro Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2021 Posts: 51 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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MayorMcCheese wrote: |
I've had multiple issues with the GoWesty stainless exhaust (although they did cover the cracked headers under warranty), not to mention it's made from some 400 grade stainless instead of 304.
The vintage speed one looks nice, depends what grade of steel the headers are. |
Thx! I don't believe vintage speed makes one compatible for a Syncro? |
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Timwhy Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2009 Posts: 3997 Location: Maine
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RGS Paul Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2007 Posts: 662 Location: Los Alamos, NM
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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I have the Remus exhaust available from Bernard Jager in Germany and love it. It as remarkably easy to install and sealed up the first time. I ended up pairing it with the stainless catalytic converter available from a couple of vendors and the GoWesty Muffler and muffler brackets. I needed to notch the muffler brackets and make some spacers to stand them off a bit but it worked out in the end. It's a little louder than stock but puts a smile on my face every morning when I go to drive into work.
Paul _________________ '87 Syncro 7-Pass. Adventure Touring Vehicle
"Simplicate, then add lightness." Colin Chapman |
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2749 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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I have the 10cent exhaust and it made a noticable improvement in performance when I installed it. It's a little loud, but pointing the exhaust tip a bit downward helped with that. I was thinking of going with a similar, but larger, muffler when I put my second set on my '90.
Hans _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
'84 sunroof vanagon
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3549 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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MayorMcCheese wrote: |
I've had multiple issues with the GoWesty stainless exhaust (although they did cover the cracked headers under warranty), not to mention it's made from some 400 grade stainless instead of 304.
The vintage speed one looks nice, depends what grade of steel the headers are. |
300 Series is very common as a Stainless Steel, there are other Series that are more commonly used for heat related work for auto exhaust parts
I know type 409 has been used in Auto Exhausts for all sorts of parts- Granted, it will not resist surface blemishes like Series 300 will, but it's cheaper from what I remember.
Stainless likes to work harden as well, so cracking can be an issue in many applications. _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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VicVan Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1826 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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GW exhaust for 2 years now, no issues. Slightly louder noise, "throatier" is a description I find accurate. Defintely rusted on the surface. Did not notice any performance improvements (275000 km stock 2.1 auto...).
The thing is: GW offers a lifetime warranty for their exhaust. _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4333 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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Clip from GW advert on their SS pipes:
Limited Lifetime Warranty: Every stainless exhaust part we offer comes with a limited lifetime warranty. The part is warranted against structural failure for life (for the original purchaser).
Reminds me to have my Daughter order anything with that kind of warranty, as I only have 20 or so years left of wrenching, at best. Its probably moot anyway, since 20 years from now even if I we have 1 Vanagon left, it'll either be a transplant to another gas or diesel, or more likely to an electric drive.
Also, why would their exhaust give better performance than stock? It appears to not be even attempting to be of equal length, or having the collectors arranged to flow together at all. Turbulence is what I see, not streamlining.
I can't find the warranty info on the product page listing for my SS exhaust, but I don't see any corrosion after a couple of winters on limestone roads and salted pavements. I think it was 1 year. though. The rest of the bus.. Not so lucky. I am confidant the system I have will easily handle a few moves to fresher motors, etc. And, it was a good boost in performance above 3200 RPM. Taught me a whole new way to drive my 2.1WBX! _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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syncro2x Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2009 Posts: 109 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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I have a vintage speed stainless exhaust system on my 86 syncro. Had the motor rebuilt by a local shop last winter. The owner has one on his syncro doka as well. Not sure how he intalled it, as the one they sell says 2wd only. Anyway it fits nice, tucks up nice and clean. Has a good growl without being loud. |
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4333 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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syncro2x wrote: |
I have a vintage speed stainless exhaust system on my 86 syncro. Had the motor rebuilt by a local shop last winter. The owner has one on his syncro doka as well. Not sure how he intalled it, as the one they sell says 2wd only. Anyway it fits nice, tucks up nice and clean. Has a good growl without being loud. |
This calls for more details! I've been interested by Vintage Speed for quite some time time now!!! _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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syncro2x Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2009 Posts: 109 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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I will shoot Ken an email and ask how he did it. Mine has no catalectic converter. |
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SoloTheSyncro Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2021 Posts: 51 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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Thx! I'm sure it would be easier to make work without a CAT. Unfortunately, being in CA the CAT is essential and very expensive! The VanCafe full exhaust with CA compliant CAT is $2800!!! |
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SoloTheSyncro Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2021 Posts: 51 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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VicVan wrote: |
GW exhaust for 2 years now, no issues. Slightly louder noise, "throatier" is a description I find accurate. Defintely rusted on the surface. Did not notice any performance improvements (275000 km stock 2.1 auto...).
The thing is: GW offers a lifetime warranty for their exhaust. |
Do you have the shorter "sport" version or standard? |
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syncro2x Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2009 Posts: 109 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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It is a full sized muffler, sold in a kit for $1495 Canadian. Not even offered in sport. |
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DigiMatrix Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2010 Posts: 449 Location: Up North Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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SoloTheSyncro wrote: |
Looking to upgrade the '90 Syncro with stainless exhaust... What's your favorite? Gowesty vs Vancafe etc.? We are in CA so the CAT is super expensive and hoping to also get a bit more performance out the 2.1L with a $2K investment. Would love to hear your thoughts! Thank you |
For another option, I would check with Collin at Techtonics tuning. He sent me pictures of a nice 4-1 stainless system and it was on a syncro.
Here is one, the other is on their web site
- link below for muffler brackets and tailpipe
https://www.techtonicstuning.com/main/index.php?ma...q9goe9fj20 _________________ _________________
'91 Syncro Westfalia
soon to be 2.5 liter stroker WBX 10:1 comp
Digifant ECU with knock sensor and custom
cylinder selective knock control by me |
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jberger Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 2476
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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DigiMatrix wrote: |
SoloTheSyncro wrote: |
Looking to upgrade the '90 Syncro with stainless exhaust... What's your favorite? Gowesty vs Vancafe etc.? We are in CA so the CAT is super expensive and hoping to also get a bit more performance out the 2.1L with a $2K investment. Would love to hear your thoughts! Thank you |
For another option, I would check with Collin at Techtonics tuning. He sent me pictures of a nice 4-1 stainless system and it was on a syncro.
Here is one, the other is on their web site
- link below for muffler brackets and tailpipe
https://www.techtonicstuning.com/main/index.php?ma...q9goe9fj20 |
That is an interesting pic. Has some notes of Vintage Speed in it... but unfortunately the system is not on their site. Kind of curious about trying to merge all the pipes on the drivers side and achieving equal length tubes.. FWIW.
I run a WBXhaust on my 2.4 high compression engine and have posted previously that is should never be compared to the GW product. The fact that they both say SS should not take away from how different they are. The GW version is based on the stock routing and collectors and while perfectly fine for EVERY wbx.. it's not a "tuned" equal length header. Is one better than the other? Depends on your desired outcome. While the tuned system gets a bit more from my engine.... it's not a turbo.. I wouldn't change it out either way. And while the stock exhaust sounded the best with all of my set-ups but this doesn't sound bad... just different.
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DigiMatrix Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2010 Posts: 449 Location: Up North Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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jberger wrote: |
Kind of curious about trying to merge all the pipes on the drivers side and achieving equal length tubes.. FWIW.
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Here is a better look at it.
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'91 Syncro Westfalia
soon to be 2.5 liter stroker WBX 10:1 comp
Digifant ECU with knock sensor and custom
cylinder selective knock control by me |
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jberger Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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DigiMatrix wrote: |
jberger wrote: |
Kind of curious about trying to merge all the pipes on the drivers side and achieving equal length tubes.. FWIW.
J |
Here is a better look at it.
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Yup... I saw that.. without tracing the tubing with software.. it's not really possible to make up for the cross chassis run in that layout. Then again, as I age I realize how happy I am to be wrong
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VicVan Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1826 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Performance Exhaust upgrade? |
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SoloTheSyncro wrote: |
VicVan wrote: |
GW exhaust for 2 years now, no issues. Slightly louder noise, "throatier" is a description I find accurate. Defintely rusted on the surface. Did not notice any performance improvements (275000 km stock 2.1 auto...).
The thing is: GW offers a lifetime warranty for their exhaust. |
Do you have the shorter "sport" version or standard? |
Standard, with catalytic converter. _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
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