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Anchovy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:13 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Looks like the kick panel got wet at some point and the covering has come loose. I'd remove it and glue it back. |
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Jay Pearson Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:39 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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This Bus will stay original as it was produced and it will be brought up to top mechanical condition so it can be driven safely and confidently.
There was some confusion in my mentioning that earlier, ( I will not drive the "s" out of it nor will it be a daily driver). IMOP VW was really at it's best overall in the Bugs Ghia's and Buses in the 69-71 years, high quality, still in the owner can do most of the work on it phase and the IRS rear ends had them handling well, those years have been my "best of both world" VWs.
What I want is to have the Bus fully functional for a weekend drive or similar and look to take it to a few VW Shows so others can see and enjoy it. But it won't just sit in the garage.
SGKent, your earlier words rang true the other day when I was driving home in my daily car and the young lady behind me took her eye of the situation and bumped me in the rear, fortunately my foot was off the brake and it was a light tap no damage, had it been the Bus it may have made headlines in a bad way
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:58 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Jay Pearson wrote: |
This Bus will stay original as it was produced and it will be brought up to top mechanical condition so it can be driven safely and confidently.
There was some confusion in my mentioning that earlier, ( I will not drive the "s" out of it nor will it be a daily driver). IMOP VW was really at it's best overall in the Bugs Ghia's and Buses in the 69-71 years, high quality, still in the owner can do most of the work on it phase and the IRS rear ends had them handling well, those years have been my "best of both world" VWs.
What I want is to have the Bus fully functional for a weekend drive or similar and look to take it to a few VW Shows so others can see and enjoy it. But it won't just sit in the garage.
SGKent, your earlier words rang true the other day when I was driving home in my daily car and the young lady behind me took her eye of the situation and bumped me in the rear, fortunately my foot was off the brake and it was a light tap no damage, had it been the Bus it may have made headlines in a bad way
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That is one of my fears on something like yours. You have no control over the way others act these days. There was even a shooting here in the central valley the other day where a gal doing 55-60 was shot at by a driver in a BMW because CHP suspects that he/she felt that they were being delayed. I've had 3 cars totaled in 20 years by drivers here. One ran a red light because her wires got crossed mentally (texting probably), one whip changed lanes impatiently without looking, and one was shaving and didn't notice traffic stopped. We've had buses on the forum rear-ended by trucks, head-ons, rear enders etc.. This is not the USA even 5 - 10 years ago. The place is nuts on steroids. More and more people are mean just to be mean, and some permanently distracted. If something happens to that bus there is not going to be another one like it come along. If almost any of us lost our buses for any reason we could replace them. You cannot. It's highest value is in a collection/museum. Any of us would love to go cruising in it, really. I took a 1971 back and forth across the USA several times in the 70's and 80's. Many of those roads don't even exist anymore. They went from 2 and 4 lane to express ways and shopping mall after shopping mall. Traffic is getting much worse than even a few years ago. It is not the number of drivers but the aggressiveness of a few with laws not being enforced. Whole police forces in some small towns are resigning because it it too much for even them to handle. Make sure you have an AGREED value policy that will cover how you plan to use it, and have it appraised so you know its value. There won't even be comparable sales of buses that low mile and original for an appraiser to use. They'll have to probably use industry standards for cars that are that level collector. You'll want to have a master touch up paint guy touch up any chips, have a master detailer detail it for show. Only then will you really know how unique that bus is at such low miles. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Jay Pearson Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Found the original purchase date on the State of California Temporary ID slip, taped on the inside of the glove box door still intact.
11/7/1970- cool piece of documentation.
Anchovy, yes the vinyl on the front kick on both sides has released a bit but does not appear due to moisture, but heat and time is my guess, fifty one years does things to the adhesives etc. Plan to remove them use a low heat ( hair dryer ) to get the material pliable and then reattach.
What's nice is they covered the front and passenger area floor mats and the rear cargo carpeted area all look in top shape.
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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I'm surprised the rear side panels in the cargo area and hatch panel aren't peeling too, it must have lived under a carport where only the nose got cooked by the sun.
Keep up with the pics, I'm loving every minute of it. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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vwmerckx Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2012 Posts: 195 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Really enjoying the story Jay!! Takes me back to when I purchased my 71 Westphalia in 1977. Closing in on 500,000 miles and still smile as much as I did Day One. Smart and amazing purchase on your part
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:06 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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I like my tach when the radio is too loud to hear the engine.
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Jay Pearson Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:56 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Tail Lights and Back up light trim rings and lenses cleaned up very nicely.
Pulled the locking engine latch it has a some degradation of the chrome in it's 50 years of service. I have gotten a number of bug and Bus engine and rear latches in part lots but never seen a "latch cover" in place part #211827261, would love to hear the German name for it.
Can you imagine requesting one from the VW parts department. The good old days say back in the early 70's when that's where you went for your VW parts.
Bus Daddy the rear cargo area black vinyl is pretty good a little releasing and distortion from age and the perforated vinyl swaths above them have some waves in them.
Different materials age and effect the others the are in contact with or near. I think the term is outgassing that should bring some colorful input from some on the Samba
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Jay Pearson Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Refresh parts starting to arrive. Carburetor refresh first inline.
Positioned the back up light fuse holder into the correct position as pointed out earlier on this post.
Should have it cleaned up and back into place in the next few days.
Engine removal & engine seal refresh is on the list of to do's, that will take place in the Nov-Jan time frame.
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vwmerckx Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2012 Posts: 195 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Bravo Jay! I like that you still have the original clamps on the brake vacuum check valve.
Since you will have the engine out, have you given any thought to removing the gas tank for a good rinse of the inside - if you feel there is a need to do so?
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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vwmerckx wrote: |
Since you will have the engine out, have you given any thought to removing the gas tank for a good rinse of the inside - if you feel there is a need to do so? |
Good idea, although my 71 was well preserved the filler neck tube shrunk over the years until I got a big puddle of gas forming under the bus after a few stops after a recent fill up one day about 3 years ago, of course I hit every traffic jam and red light on the way home while that was happening, nothing like trying to watch other drivers as well as monitoring for flames out back at the same time.
The vent tubes didn't look all that spectacular either so I replaced them, and I did the sender modification while it was out as well, all good for another 47ish years in my case now.
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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busdaddy wrote: |
vwmerckx wrote: |
Since you will have the engine out, have you given any thought to removing the gas tank for a good rinse of the inside - if you feel there is a need to do so? |
Good idea, although my 71 was well preserved the filler neck tube shrunk over the years until I got a big puddle of gas forming under the bus after a few stops after a recent fill up one day about 3 years ago, of course I hit every traffic jam and red light on the way home while that was happening, nothing like trying to watch other drivers as well as monitoring for flames out back at the same time.
The vent tubes didn't look all that spectacular either so I replaced them, and I did the sender modification while it was out as well, all good for another 47ish years in my case now.
Sender mod: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629435&highlight=sender+repair |
Agree... Another strong vote to remove the tank and change all the vent lines/hoses and fill hose. My 1970 hoses were shot. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
Agree... Another strong vote to remove the tank and change all the vent lines/hoses and fill hose. My 1970 hoses were shot. |
Yeah, my filler pipe looked new but the vent hoses were turning to dust…
Sitting is the worst thing for a gas tank, so I'd at least want to shake some BB's around in it with some solvent then ATF or the like.
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:25 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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A vote to send the OG beauty 34 PICT to the carb gurus here
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Jay Pearson Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:46 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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I will thoroughly look over the fuel tank / connections when the engine is out.
I need to replace the fuel tank sender as well so I'm going to be in there after engine removal.
Need to take the Bus to the DMV for title & registration so I pulled the carb before hand as it was obvious that the base gaskets were leaking, otherwise this carb minus the outside "grunge" is near new internally, only 32k miles.
Have done many carb rebuilds over the last fifteen years this is mechanically the best condition pict 34 I have seen.
I would appreciate any input on how to free up the stuck Sunroof when I take that project on, even which way to turn the sunroof crank handle to open or close it in the "unsticking" process, the placement of the wooden shims as well. Have only rebuilt one of the VW metal sunroofs on a 66 bug. I understand how critical the correct procedure is to insure success so anyone with hands on experience please chime in. SG Kent has made himself available for input on this as well.
Thanks for your input on all the posts it is good to have a sounding board and to add reminders from experience. Really having fun on this Bus due to how little has been touched by other hands mechanically.
I have included two complete engine rebuilds that I completed on a 1961 Ghia I had previously owned, really proud of the OG motor as I even got the early 40hp thermostat working something that is almost never kept in place on motors from that period.
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:16 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Jay Pearson wrote: |
..........I need to replace the fuel tank sender as well......... |
I hope it's with a used German one you did that repair I linked above to and not a "new" one, new ones last less than a year, repaired OG ones last forever. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Jay Pearson Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:39 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Bus Daddy, I need to see what comes out of the tank first and go from there, it is not clear on the final service done to this vehicle in 2015 at 32,030 mi, what really took place, if they put in a new unit or tried a repaired used unit. The vehicle then sat for another 6 years with only 150 miles added up to August 2021.
Either way when VW's sit like this one has the senders get sticky. I had a 19,000 mi 1979 SB about a 2 years ago that came with a similar sender issue and after trying to get a "new" after market unit to work multiple times ( I pulled the tank 6 times) I finally was able to track down a NOS Sender and although it cost $300 versus $39.99 In hindsight I would have been much happier had I laid out the 3 bills first and only pulled the tank once
NOS or rebuilding OG parts always works out best. I want to keep this vehicle a close to how it was from the factory or use og parts when needed, I'm looking for it to keep some of it's aged character versus a "new restoration look". I am going to need to have the wheels and bumpers media blasted and I'm still undecided as to if to powder coated (less likely to match og colors exactly) or to have them enamel sprayed.
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22463 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:42 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Jay, super nice bus. Id preserve and enjoy the ride all day long in that one.
I had the fortune of finding a low miler as well. It wasnt in as nice of condition as yours, especially the exterior, but the interior and all the undisturbed items on it were fun to explore and preserve.
I didnt even crack the engine case. I did pull the motor and freshen up all the paint and detail the engine bay. I replaced any perished items and had fun working with other here on the samba to recreate stickers.
Good luck on your passive restoration.
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:41 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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Jay Pearson wrote: |
Bus Daddy, I need to see what comes out of the tank first and go from there, it is not clear on the final service done to this vehicle in 2015 at 32,030 mi, what really took place, if they put in a new unit or tried a repaired used unit. The vehicle then sat for another 6 years with only 150 miles added up to August 2021. |
Ah yes, I remember you mentioning the new sender previously. Unless what comes out is genuine VDO and made in Germany you are better off buying a used one from the classifieds and performing Telford's rehab procedure on it, it's the only way to guarantee the tank won't be out again soon. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:54 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Bay "time capsule" 32,000 og miles |
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if the sunroof is stuck then it is likely the cables are damaged. The ONLY way to get it open without destroying things is to slide it back.
There are two cables. and if either is broken or kinked the gear won't turn right. Then the ONLY fix is to pull the handle, then the two screws and gear. At that point one has to find a way to push the roof by hand - either thru friction, or using wooden shims in the front prying and trying to minimize the damage.
As the roof begins to open the back drops on two short ramps. Sometimes you can stand on a short ladder and slap the back corner of each side downwards with an open palm as someone applies friction against the inside of the sunroof panel without damaging the head liner. This may break it free and help it to drop. Then report back when it is two or three inches open. At that point if the cables are not damaged it may be possible to put the gear back in and use it, or slide the inner panel back (special clips have to be removed first at the front) and then remove the outside panel, giving access to the cables etc.. Slapping the back corners with the gear out may be enough to free it. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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