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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:49 pm Post subject: sliding door inside latch |
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What is up with my inside sliding door latch? the lock specifically??
The locking lever will only move about a 1/4 inch.
Thoughts?
_________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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You can only move that when the door is fully latched front and rear, close the door and then turn the handle up so the back sucks in and clicks, then try it. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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remember that on the slider, they have an inside and an outside lock which are independent of the other. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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SGKent wrote: |
remember that on the slider, they have an inside and an outside lock which are independent of the other. |
Yep, They unlock how they were locked.... If you use the key to lock it, you have to use the key to unlock it.
If you lock it inside, you have to unlock it inside.
My problem is the inside lock lever only moves 1/4". both levers inside and outside will open the door. the key will lock the door.
My issue, that is not critical, is the inside lock lever. _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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andrewtf Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2011 Posts: 604 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:07 am Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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I have this issue on my bus as well - to a degree.
My bus was really rebuilt up to about midway up the sides because of rust, rust, rust. Part of this was that the shop had to rebuild the sliding door track.... and didn't get it exactly correct (along with about 100 other things.. but that is another story). Of course, I did not install the slider until maybe 6 months after I got my bus back from the shop.
The front about 6" of the bottom door track has about 1/2" of play "in and out" (towards the bus - and away from the bus). The top does not. The shop just did not know about the precision needed here - and assumed the door could be adjusted to compensate for any slop. (wrong)
The 'normal' way of closing the door sort of has you pulling "out" a bit as you slam the door closed. If I do this, the door will not lock from the inside. If - when I slide the door closed - I "push" into the frame as it slides closed, it will then lock and unlock properly.
I have adjusted this thing about a million times and cannot get it to work 'properly'. Right now - I live with the irritation. The little lip of the latch locking tooth gets hung up on the edge of the receiver on the frame and won't allow it to lock. (Yes - I have also adjusted, shimmed, Dremeled the edge, of the receiver also). As far as I can tell - this is just 'friction' on the latch that needs to be overcome, but I am not willing to break anything to see if I am correct.
I think my issue may be very uniquely mine because of my now crappy door track, but this alternate method of forcing the door shut might help you a bit. It won't hurt. (lets hope its not just a Riviera thing).
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Type2_Personality Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2020 Posts: 41 Location: Central Oregon
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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My 71 developed a similar problem. I gave the door lock mechanisms (inside and out) a good lubrication with TriFlow and that worked really well. In my case I think it was just a lack of lubrication. _________________ 1971 Type II ~ Adventure Camper
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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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Do they disassemble easily?
In my case the little lock lever won’t go down no matter if the door is clised or not. _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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malcolm2 wrote: |
Do they disassemble easily? |
from what I have read here, no. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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Mr. Bentley describes the process of adjusting the cables and rods between the two mechanisms very well, there's even pictures with arrows and stuff. If the rods are out of adjustment the front latch may not think the rear one is playing along.
The front unit is not easily dismantled, the rivet like things holding it together are a one time use deal, that's not to say you couldn't carefully put all the bits back up against the door and use the screws that hold it to the door to keep it together. A soak in some solvent, and a bath in an ultrasonic cleaner is the best I've managed, it works great unless there's a broken spring inside. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Type2_Personality Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2020 Posts: 41 Location: Central Oregon
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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malcolm2 wrote: |
Do they disassemble easily?
In my case the little lock lever won’t go down no matter if the door is clised or not. |
I did not disassemble mine, gave it a couple of shots of TriFlow on the inside, outside and the center locking mechanism between the inside and outside on the door itself. Sprayed the lube and worked the handles easily back and forth and it did free everything up. _________________ 1971 Type II ~ Adventure Camper
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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:45 am Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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Reviving this to get better clarification.
I could not move the small switch prior to installing it, or once installed.....
However, I got in the bus, closed the sliding door and the little switch moved the full amount. I assume this is probably spelled out in the owners manual??
But here is how i see it working....
* fully close the sliding door.
* rotated the large handle backwards and hear a click (which did not sink in from Busdaddy's comment)
* push the small switch down FULLY
* large handle will not move (open the door)
So you now have locked the door
As I have read several times, you cannot unlock the door from the outside, if you locked it from the inside.... and vise-versa. Seems to be a 72 design feature!
So my sliding door lock does actually work. _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: sliding door inside latch |
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Sounds correct for a 68-73 door. _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
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