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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:15 pm Post subject: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? |
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I have a B6xxxxxx engine in my '69 Bus. It's got dual port heads and an alternator, but that's about all I know about it right now.
The tables here suggest that Buses that year had engines in the B5xxxxxx series, and that I have a Bug engine in the Bus.
What is the difference? I never knew there was any.
Of course the air cleaners, tinware and such are different. But why would the engine blocks be different?
When I get the Bus home I may learn more (it's about 200 miles away), but in the meantime this is confusing me. |
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Xevin Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 7624
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? |
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I think it’s just the “Ear mounts”. My ignorance can’t describe “Ear mounts” for a Type1 in a bus vs a bug. Somebody here will though. And possibly more. _________________ Keep on Busin'
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? |
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ok, maybe you mean for the rear the engine carrier?
My last Bus was a swing axle '65 and bug/bus engines were interchange on it.
On a related note, I may change the carb (I can't remember what it has), and I am not a fan of the 009 mechanical advance distributor inmost cars, but especially on a Bus where high rpm horsepower is not the need, but flexibility at the low end is important.
What combo would have come on this engine (B5 or B6)? |
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6981 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? |
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Xevin wrote: |
I think it’s just the “Ear mounts”. My ignorance can’t describe “Ear mounts” for a Type1 in a bus vs a bug. Somebody here will though. And possibly more. |
A T1 bus engine would have 3 bosses around the oil pump for the mustache bar to attach to. A beetle T1 could be used, but only with a adapter that mounted to the oil pump.
As far as cam and compression differences, I’m not sure there was much of one. Now, if it’s a dual port that would have only been used in a ‘71 bus. As everything before was a single port and everything after was a T4. At this stage of the game it would be highly unlikely that your newly acquired bud has the original engine, but with 29,000 posts I think you already know that.
On a side note, ain’t nothing wrong with a real 009. I’ve been running one for years and I can’t imagine not having one. Now a Chinese lone is a different story. _________________ __________
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? |
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I know it's not the original engine, yes. And with it not here yet, I am just guessing based on the serial number and gross equipment I can see in a pic.
I don't know what the rear mount looks like, and won't until it's here and on a lift, at least a week away.
I suppose one could have put dual port heads on a pre-'71 engine.
On other VW engines, I found the 009 made for more power at higher rpm, but sacrificed the lower end power and smoothness the vacuum advance gave it. So in traffic the vacuum-equipped distributors seemed to make for less shifting (as well as somewhat better mileage). But I'm guessing for this engine. And with the non-stock (for that year) dual port heads, it's kinda moot what it originally came with. |
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6981 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? |
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KTPhil wrote: |
So in traffic the vacuum-equipped distributors seemed to make for less shifting (as well as somewhat better mileage). |
I get 20 mpg on the highway and rarely shift north of 4200 RPMs, but I guess every build is different.
I actually having an engine built right now for my newly acquired ‘65 beetle and I only had 4 requests on the build. A real 009, working t-stat, a mechanical fuel pump and a oil filter. As I said in the last paragraph, everyone is different. _________________ __________
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12721 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? |
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KTPhil wrote: |
So in traffic the vacuum-equipped distributors seemed to make for less shifting (as well as somewhat better mileage). |
I find that mostly true. The vacuum-only setups with the right carb all in good tune can honestly use sub-idle speeds in the lower gears. Since they don't pair well with a 34pict, they're typically installed on single ports which always seem to be 1-2mpg behind their dual-port twins with otherwise identical setups. But driven 4-5 hours in stop/go LA traffic, the vacuum distributors are unmatched in ease of drivability while netting 20+mpg if kept under 55mph.
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