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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:15 pm    Post subject: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? Reply with quote

I have a B6xxxxxx engine in my '69 Bus. It's got dual port heads and an alternator, but that's about all I know about it right now.
The tables here suggest that Buses that year had engines in the B5xxxxxx series, and that I have a Bug engine in the Bus.
What is the difference? I never knew there was any.

Of course the air cleaners, tinware and such are different. But why would the engine blocks be different?

When I get the Bus home I may learn more (it's about 200 miles away), but in the meantime this is confusing me.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? Reply with quote

I think it’s just the “Ear mounts”. My ignorance can’t describe “Ear mounts” for a Type1 in a bus vs a bug. Somebody here will though. And possibly more.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? Reply with quote

ok, maybe you mean for the rear the engine carrier?

My last Bus was a swing axle '65 and bug/bus engines were interchange on it.

On a related note, I may change the carb (I can't remember what it has), and I am not a fan of the 009 mechanical advance distributor inmost cars, but especially on a Bus where high rpm horsepower is not the need, but flexibility at the low end is important.

What combo would have come on this engine (B5 or B6)?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? Reply with quote

Xevin wrote:
I think it’s just the “Ear mounts”. My ignorance can’t describe “Ear mounts” for a Type1 in a bus vs a bug. Somebody here will though. And possibly more.


A T1 bus engine would have 3 bosses around the oil pump for the mustache bar to attach to. A beetle T1 could be used, but only with a adapter that mounted to the oil pump.

As far as cam and compression differences, I’m not sure there was much of one. Now, if it’s a dual port that would have only been used in a ‘71 bus. As everything before was a single port and everything after was a T4. At this stage of the game it would be highly unlikely that your newly acquired bud has the original engine, but with 29,000 posts I think you already know that.

On a side note, ain’t nothing wrong with a real 009. I’ve been running one for years and I can’t imagine not having one. Now a Chinese lone is a different story.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? Reply with quote

I know it's not the original engine, yes. And with it not here yet, I am just guessing based on the serial number and gross equipment I can see in a pic.

I don't know what the rear mount looks like, and won't until it's here and on a lift, at least a week away.

I suppose one could have put dual port heads on a pre-'71 engine.

On other VW engines, I found the 009 made for more power at higher rpm, but sacrificed the lower end power and smoothness the vacuum advance gave it. So in traffic the vacuum-equipped distributors seemed to make for less shifting (as well as somewhat better mileage). But I'm guessing for this engine. And with the non-stock (for that year) dual port heads, it's kinda moot what it originally came with.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? Reply with quote

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So in traffic the vacuum-equipped distributors seemed to make for less shifting (as well as somewhat better mileage).


I get 20 mpg on the highway and rarely shift north of 4200 RPMs, but I guess every build is different.

I actually having an engine built right now for my newly acquired ‘65 beetle and I only had 4 requests on the build. A real 009, working t-stat, a mechanical fuel pump and a oil filter. As I said in the last paragraph, everyone is different.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bug and Bus engines? Reply with quote

KTPhil wrote:
So in traffic the vacuum-equipped distributors seemed to make for less shifting (as well as somewhat better mileage).


I find that mostly true. The vacuum-only setups with the right carb all in good tune can honestly use sub-idle speeds in the lower gears. Since they don't pair well with a 34pict, they're typically installed on single ports which always seem to be 1-2mpg behind their dual-port twins with otherwise identical setups. But driven 4-5 hours in stop/go LA traffic, the vacuum distributors are unmatched in ease of drivability while netting 20+mpg if kept under 55mph.

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