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wheel607 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:01 am Post subject: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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When you add together the paint, primer, sand paper, filler, grinding discs, tape, paper, thinner, the list really goes on, you can have well in excess of $1000 before you lay the first drop of polish on a VW. Most all complain of high cost of paint jobs but material has REALLY gone up. And all of this before one square inch of metal has been hammered on. You need to know the costs before you say "its too much". Paint and body is really expensive.........can you afford it? |
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2type2 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2002 Posts: 975 Location: SW Colorado
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:28 am Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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My question is ....after the cost of all materials are accounted for, why can't you get single stage paint job, without metalwork, for less than another 5K in labor? I realize not everyone is going to be able to paint by themselves as I do, but paintwork is excessively high in labor. _________________ "A life of peace and happiness depends on your own gratefulness" |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9954 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:49 am Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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wheel607 wrote: |
When you add together the paint, primer, sand paper, filler, grinding discs, tape, paper, thinner, the list really goes on, you can have well in excess of $1000 before you lay the first drop of polish on a VW. Most all complain of high cost of paint jobs but material has REALLY gone up. And all of this before one square inch of metal has been hammered on. You need to know the costs before you say "its too much". Paint and body is really expensive.........can you afford it? |
Plus the costs to own and operate a booth! Around here that is some BIG dollars! _________________ Jimbo
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17969 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:25 am Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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VW_Jimbo wrote: |
wheel607 wrote: |
When you add together the paint, primer, sand paper, filler, grinding discs, tape, paper, thinner, the list really goes on, you can have well in excess of $1000 before you lay the first drop of polish on a VW. Most all complain of high cost of paint jobs but material has REALLY gone up. And all of this before one square inch of metal has been hammered on. You need to know the costs before you say "its too much". Paint and body is really expensive.........can you afford it? |
Plus the costs to own and operate a booth! Around here that is some BIG dollars! |
We paint in a shop building with the big doors open on both ends. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10998
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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2type2 wrote: |
My question is ....after the cost of all materials are accounted for, why can't you get single stage paint job, without metalwork, for less than another 5K in labor? I realize not everyone is going to be able to paint by themselves as I do, but paintwork is excessively high in labor. |
If it’s so easy and painters are overpaid do it yourself.
I think you’ll find quick that it’s not easy, is time consuming if you want it done right and requires skill born through experience.
People forget that you are not paying just for time on the job, but also for the years of experience required to develop the skills to produce an excellent product.
Also overhead for shops is crazy. Most cities don’t want them and make it known through the pocket book. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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evanfrucht Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 2180 Location: Laurel Canyon, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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I paint in a garage, or outside on a nice day. Turns out well enough since I know what I'm doing. A booth is nice but I don't have one at home where I do most of my work and keep my cars.
Paint cost for whole car. I gallon usually works of both primer and paint.
Primer $150
Paint $200
Sandpaper $250 (5 different 45yrd rolls of different grits, will last for a long time)
Body filler $50
Misc Tools and supplies, go to the swap meet $80
Gun, an entry level Finex or something $150
Cheap gun for primer $20
So basically $900 to get you going and you can have a paintjob as good as one that might cost 2,500-4,000 from a shop. And you probably do it better since you care more. You need to pay at least 5 grand to not have your car destroyed. If the price is cheaper BEWARE. They will not spend proper time on metal work and simply use lots of filler and rush the prep. Most people just aren't willing to spend the proper cash... that's why 90% of the shiny cars you see at shows look like shit close up and have the paint cracking on the hoods and gaps that are all over the place
If your thinking about it you should really already at least have a large compressor and some body tools, sanders, grinders, etc.
If not, compressor + stuff $600-2000
And then if you have no talent or no real ambition it's all a waste of money anyway _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10998
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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evanfrucht wrote: |
I paint in a garage, or outside on a nice day. Turns out well enough since I know what I'm doing. A booth is nice but I don't have one at home where I do most of my work and keep my cars.
Paint cost for whole car. I gallon usually works of both primer and paint.
Primer $150
Paint $200
Sandpaper $250 (5 different 45yrd rolls of different grits, will last for a long time)
Body filler $50
Misc Tools and supplies, go to the swap meet $80
Gun, an entry level Finex or something $150
Cheap gun for primer $20
So basically $900 to get you going and you can have a paintjob as good as one that might cost 2,500-4,000 from a shop. And you probably do it better since you care more. You need to pay at least 5 grand to not have your car destroyed. If the price is cheaper BEWARE. They will not spend proper time on metal work and simply use lots of filler and rush the prep. Most people just aren't willing to spend the proper cash... that's why 90% of the shiny cars you see at shows look like shit close up and have the paint cracking on the hoods and gaps that are all over the place
If your thinking about it you should really already at least have a large compressor and some body tools, sanders, grinders, etc.
If not, compressor + stuff $600-2000
And then if you have no talent or no real ambition it's all a waste of money anyway |
I’m doing a 70 Clementine Orange Beetle right now. I’m in CA.
$500 for 1 gallon single stage TPC restoration shop line with hardener.
$45 one gallon of Upol Gold filler
$150 2 gallons of Poly Prime. I like to block at least twice.
$100 Epoxy primer and hardener for sealer
2 rolls of 150 grit $90
1 roll 320 $45
Tape etc
$950 in materials.
Then cutting and buffing…add another $150 in materials.
So $1100 just in materials. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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evanfrucht Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 2180 Location: Laurel Canyon, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:58 am Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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So there you go. We have a consensus.
It will cost roughly $1000 or more in materials. I would not do the work for less than $4000.
So, I think it's safe to say... For a QUALITY job it will cost at least a grand if you do it yourself or upwards of $5000 to pay a shop to paint the car and do the proper body work required beforehand. It can easily go over that if you want expensive paint or something too. _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
1964 Fury Wagon ( the pavement shredder ) |
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evanfrucht Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 2180 Location: Laurel Canyon, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:07 am Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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Wait, the single stage urethane I get from TCP global is usually under $200 for a gallon w/ hardener. How are you getting $500?
I get my primer and reducer from SPI. _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
1964 Fury Wagon ( the pavement shredder ) |
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10998
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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evanfrucht wrote: |
Wait, the single stage urethane I get from TCP global is usually under $200 for a gallon w/ hardener. How are you getting $500?
I get my primer and reducer from SPI. |
Are you using AU restoration shop line? What colors? How long ago did you buy pa8nt from them? They charge more for anything in the red spectrum. That $500 including local shipping.
I know when I did my double cab two years ago a gallon of blue AU was about $300. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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evanfrucht Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 2180 Location: Laurel Canyon, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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Yep, acrylic urethane. The most expensive one I could find was a candy flake red and it was $240 for a complete gallon kit including hardener with free shipping. _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
1964 Fury Wagon ( the pavement shredder ) |
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10998
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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evanfrucht wrote: |
Yep, acrylic urethane. The most expensive one I could find was a candy flake red and it was $240 for a complete gallon kit including hardener with free shipping. |
Looked at the receipt today
$280 1 gallon AU paint
$150 1 quart AU
$60 hardener
Tax on the rest _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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Igpoe Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2019 Posts: 853 Location: South Boston, VA
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:19 am Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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Is having paint shipped to you really a good idea? How are you gonna get up in that guys face when he apparently has mixed your gallon while he was doing heroin? _________________ '73 super. |
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evanfrucht Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:33 am Post subject: Re: What does a nothing paint job COST in materials only? |
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Igpoe wrote: |
Is having paint shipped to you really a good idea? How are you gonna get up in that guys face when he apparently has mixed your gallon while he was doing heroin? |
TCP global is a fairly big longstanding company with a reliable reputation. The colors they offer (not the custom mixed/color match ones) are made in large batches, maybe even measured with computers and such. They have many colors to choose from so it might make sense if want to paint a whole car and don't need an original color. I would use the same batch number tho for the whole car. I've also bought multiple different quarts before and then mixed up a custom color (I wanted a muted slightly blueish gray which they didn't quite offer.)
I had a gallon of paint get damaged and partially leak in the mail once. TCP offered me the choice of a replacement or a refund.
But yes, if you need a perfect match... I would have to agree buying online is a terrible idea. _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
1964 Fury Wagon ( the pavement shredder ) |
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