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my59 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:18 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Glenn wrote: |
finster wrote: |
I notice Mrs Cusser just favours suspenders, no belt :wink: |
In the US we call them a belt, in the UK they call them suspenders. |
So she is wearing a belt and suspenders..... _________________ my59: Well son, my grandfather died before I got to drive it, so does that answer your question?
our79: sunroof bus w/camper interior and 2.0 FI
Other:'12 Jetta, '77 Benz 300D, and a 74 MG Midget. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31361 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:12 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Abscate wrote: |
Splitdog wrote: |
I'd shield that filter. Radiant heat extraordinaire. Especially in AZ. |
It should be painted white to radiate best. |
Oh, you troublemaker!
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In the words of the typical un-edjamacted Arizonan redneck: "I ain't doin' NUTHIN !!!" _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Splitdog Samba Split Personality
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 4125 Location: Planet VW
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:26 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Abscate wrote: |
Splitdog wrote: |
I'd shield that filter. Radiant heat extraordinaire. Especially in AZ. |
It should be painted white to radiate best. |
Come on. Men are trying to help others with lesser experience/knowledge here. Maybe your mom should have used a shield.
But, as usual, Splitdog digresses....... _________________ CH³NO²
Z = z² + C
Der Blitzkrieg Kafers
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12467
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:00 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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How many people here are racking up the miles daily driving ? VWs typically we’re good for about 75 to 100k miles back in the day. I’d wager most here drive less than 10k a year, I’m lucky to log a couple thousand a year. At that rate it would take me 30 plus years to get anywhere near there. I’d be well into my 90s and most likely done with VWs anyway. If you have a stock VW and maintain it properly you’ll never notice a difference.
Something to think about. As people age they tend to worry about the smaller details in life, I see that here. The hand wringing/ navel gazing is quite humorous in my opinion 😀 |
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5506 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:27 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Thanks raygreenwood, I'm keeping my 1600 stock. When you say modern oil of 10w30 I'm assuming no synthetic is that correct?
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Great information but I'm still uncomfortable about contaminants via the video but understand newer engines needing much less contaminants. I'm going to keep my 1600DP stock but perhaps in the future I'll add the other filter. |
Much of what you read on the internet and especially YouTube is bullshit. Going on 50 years experience with VW has shown me the stock screen and using oil that meets specs along with regular oil changes is just fine. You could use a filter pump for that extra feeling of well being, like a belt and suspenders 😀
From what I’ve seen plain old neglect is what does these cars in, keep on top of the maintenance. I’ve used 10w30 for years no problems. |
Sure its just fine....for the "expected lifespan" of those engines in those days.
It was not uncommon for a variety of reasons for type 1 and 3 engines with no filter to need a top end rebuild at 50k (and not because of valve quality)....and a lower end refurb by 85-100k miles. And...that was just fine when quality VW parts were cheap.
However....among improvements to these engines when the type 4 was begun in 1967.....the spin on oil filter was the main part that effectively doubled engine life of bearings.
But its worth noting....just staying with the stock 1600 set up...strainer and no filter....and using modern oil....with same interval change.....has probably given these engines an hnest 30-40% lifespan increase even without a filter. Ray |
_________________ American Red Cross Safe And Well:
https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/...bsite.html
Maui Roadsters
www.mauiroadsters.com
http://www.oacdp.org
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Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21512 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Great information but I'm still uncomfortable about contaminants via the video but understand newer engines needing much less contaminants. I'm going to keep my 1600DP stock but perhaps in the future I'll add the other filter. |
Much of what you read on the internet and especially YouTube is bullshit. Going on 50 years experience with VW has shown me the stock screen and using oil that meets specs along with regular oil changes is just fine. You could use a filter pump for that extra feeling of well being, like a belt and suspenders 😀
From what I’ve seen plain old neglect is what does these cars in, keep on top of the maintenance. I’ve used 10w30 for years no problems. |
Sure its just fine....for the "expected lifespan" of those engines in those days.
It was not uncommon for a variety of reasons for type 1 and 3 engines with no filter to need a top end rebuild at 50k (and not because of valve quality)....and a lower end refurb by 85-100k miles. And...that was just fine when quality VW parts were cheap.
However....among improvements to these engines when the type 4 was begun in 1967.....the spin on oil filter was the main part that effectively doubled engine life of bearings.
But its worth noting....just staying with the stock 1600 set up...strainer and no filter....and using modern oil....with same interval change.....has probably given these engines an hnest 30-40% lifespan increase even without a filter. Ray |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34002 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Abscate wrote: |
Splitdog wrote: |
I'd shield that filter. Radiant heat extraordinaire. Especially in AZ. |
It should be painted white to radiate best. |
Oh, you troublemaker!
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22641 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Splitdog wrote: |
I'd shield that filter. Radiant heat extraordinaire. Especially in AZ. |
It should be painted white to radiate best. _________________ .ssS! |
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calvinater Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3327 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:20 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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I thought in the UK they called suspenders “braces” . _________________ "Albatross"! |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34002 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:01 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Is there an engine in that pic? I hadn't noticed. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76902 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:25 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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finster wrote: |
I notice Mrs Cusser just favours suspenders, no belt |
In the US we call them a belt, in the UK they call them suspenders. _________________ Glenn
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7935 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:09 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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I notice Mrs Cusser just favours suspenders, no belt _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect... |
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Splitdog Samba Split Personality
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 4125 Location: Planet VW
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:36 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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I'd shield that filter. Radiant heat extraordinaire. Especially in AZ. _________________ CH³NO²
Z = z² + C
Der Blitzkrieg Kafers
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31361 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:16 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
You could use a filter pump for that extra feeling of well being, like a belt and suspenders 😀 |
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_________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12467
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:55 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Great information but I'm still uncomfortable about contaminants via the video but understand newer engines needing much less contaminants. I'm going to keep my 1600DP stock but perhaps in the future I'll add the other filter. |
Much of what you read on the internet and especially YouTube is bullshit. Going on 50 years experience with VW has shown me the stock screen and using oil that meets specs along with regular oil changes is just fine. You could use a filter pump for that extra feeling of well being, like a belt and suspenders 😀
From what I’ve seen plain old neglect is what does these cars in, keep on top of the maintenance. I’ve used 10w30 for years no problems. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76902 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:47 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
The screen protects the oil pump from sucking up something big and getting jammed in the gears and breaking it. It's not a filter. |
Like this?
From a couple years ago.
Yeah, I was dumb enough to think that the FF would protect things. Wrong!
I should have run a screen. That was a 1k mistake.
Screens keep chunks out of the sensitive bits of the engine. |
The filter is after the pump, the screen is before the pump. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5506 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:37 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Great information but I'm still uncomfortable about contaminants via the video but understand newer engines needing much less contaminants. I'm going to keep my 1600DP stock but perhaps in the future I'll add the other filter. _________________ American Red Cross Safe And Well:
https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/...bsite.html
Maui Roadsters
www.mauiroadsters.com
http://www.oacdp.org
Lind wrote: |
Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9756 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Glenn wrote: |
The screen protects the oil pump from sucking up something big and getting jammed in the gears and breaking it. It's not a filter. |
Like this?
From a couple years ago.
Yeah, I was dumb enough to think that the FF would protect things. Wrong!
I should have run a screen. That was a 1k mistake.
Screens keep chunks out of the sensitive bits of the engine. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31361 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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I have CB Performance Maxi2 oil pump/filter units on both my VWs. One of the Maxi2 units is over 40 years old. 26mm gears.
_________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2009 Posts: 3382
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:08 am Post subject: Re: How do our stock oil filters filter contaminants? |
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Following recommended oil changes makes filtration unnecessary. The oil dies from heat and gasoline contamination, no filter will fix that. Many engine manufacturers had no filters before 1970, just regular oil changes ( every 1000 miles or less depending on circumstance). I'm not saying filters are a gimmick, I am saying its not the only way and VW knew that. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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