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1971Marilyn Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2021 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:27 pm Post subject: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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I have a 71 Bus and am debating on a Subaru swap. Am only tossing around the idea but need advice from the experts. I am open to suggestions as well. The poor thing wouldn't stay charged and I tried everything I knew. Replaced the alternator, didn't work. Replaced the battery, didn't work. Replaced the alternator again, didn't work. Took it to a VW "specialist" company. $1,200 later it started smoking and died 8 miles down the road from the mechanics shop. They replaced they ignition switch and the alternator, fixed the wiring issue (they thought that was the problem) and it still will not hold charge for longer than 30 minutes.
I love this thing and just want the damn thing to run. I want to be able to get in it and go for miles and not have to worry about being stranded on the side of the road for hours (again...) Any advice/help/suggestions? Anything is helpful. Thanks in advance. |
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6985 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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Where are you located?
How much money are you willing to invest? A quality Subi swap will be north of $20k, unless you’re are capable of doing it yourself. _________________ __________
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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How handy are you with tools and a volt meter? _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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1971Marilyn Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2021 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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richparker wrote: |
Where are you located?
How much money are you willing to invest? A quality Subi swap will be north of $20k, unless you’re are capable of doing it yourself. |
I am in the Western North Carolina/North Georgia area. I can also be in Tennessee, depending on where |
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1971Marilyn Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2021 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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TomWesty wrote: |
How handy are you with tools and a volt meter? |
Not exactly the best, just little experience with aircooled motors |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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Doing an engine swap to some weird custom design that no one has a manual for could easily lead to very perplexing problems. If you can't find someone who can figure out what is likely a very easy problem to troubleshoot on a 50 year old car, how are you going to find someone to troubleshoot a morphodite vehicle?
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calvinater Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3333 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:00 am Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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Have you tested the voltage regulater? Does your gen light come on in the run position? _________________ "Albatross"! |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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my advice is if you can't solve the alternator charging issue
you certainly aren't going to DIY a subaru swap
and if $1200 is alot of money, well it's alot of money for no/worse repair for sure.
that a Subaru swap done will be a whole bucket full of money more..
if you can even find a 'reputable' shop to do it.
but you've started a good thing..
by coming here and asking questions...
keep coming back and keep asking questions... a solution will eventually follow. _________________
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Doing an engine swap to some weird custom design that no one has a manual for could easily lead to very perplexing problems. If you can't find someone who can figure out what is likely a very easy problem to troubleshoot on a 50 year old car, how are you going to find someone to troubleshoot a morphodite vehicle? |
don't you have a tutu in your VaNaGoN?
too funny
every swap i have done can be diagnosed as (gasp) the year of the donor.
not rocket science.
some don't have any eye for detail and that's when the fun starts.
fun fact....
other than my intake and cooling system there are no other custom parts. everything else is off the shelf just for this reason. even the above mentioned is off the shelf, just modified.
that said, a subaru swap is in the GREAT north of 20k these days. _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
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every swap i have done can be diagnosed as (gasp) the year of the donor.
not rocket science. |
Maybe not rocket science but if he can't figure out how to fix a simple charging system and can't find a shop to do such, he is going to have trouble finding someone capable of doing a clean conversion. He needs an hour of shop time from someone who knows how to trouble shoot a fifty year old electrical system and not a $15,000 bill for a conversion that may more may not be done well. |
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1971Marilyn Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2021 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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Maybe not rocket science but if he can't figure out how to fix a simple charging system and can't find a shop to do such, he is going to have trouble finding someone capable of doing a clean conversion. He needs an hour of shop time from someone who knows how to trouble shoot a fifty year old electrical system and not a $15,000 bill for a conversion that may more may not be done well.[/quote]
She, actually. Unrelated to the issue, however I didn't pay attention as much as I should have growing up around 3 men that worked on cars. Mostly body and paint, not so much motors. Point is, I am unexperienced and that's why I am here, to gain knowledge now. There have been a few people that have pointed me in the direction of a guy who does Subaru swaps is why I wanted an opinion. After reviewing all the comments here, seems like a swap probably isn't the best or cheapest option, therefore I will probably rule it out. Thanks for your opinion. I'm sure your tutu looks great on you. |
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1971Marilyn Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2021 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
my advice is if you can't solve the alternator charging issue
you certainly aren't going to DIY a subaru swap
and if $1200 is alot of money, well it's alot of money for no/worse repair for sure.
that a Subaru swap done will be a whole bucket full of money more..
if you can even find a 'reputable' shop to do it.
but you've started a good thing..
by coming here and asking questions...
keep coming back and keep asking questions... a solution will eventually follow. |
Thank you. Your great points have been noted and the reason I am here is for advice like yours |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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You’ll get lots of help now.
Go back and put in your details. Like where you live and what kind of bus you have. I see you just signed up so you don’t know that info like that is important to us. Figure out how to add some pictures. Puts a personal touch on your posts. Tell us a bit about yourself and how long you’ve owned your bus, etc. there are people here that will give you all the help you need because we love this or we wouldn’t be here. It’s just that some people cruise into the samba, get what they want, then cruise out so it’s up to you to convince us that you deserve our time. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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1971Marilyn wrote: |
Thanks for your opinion. I'm sure your tutu looks great on you. |
You can't expect much help here with that attitude. If I have ever stopped and helped you when you were broken down, I apologize for the mistake. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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aeromech wrote: |
You’ll get lots of help now.
Go back and put in your details. Like where you live |
creeper
now every swinging dick is going to come out of the woodwork and try to play hero....
couple of things....
parts today are junk. plain and simple. what should be a 2 hour affair turns into a month long fuck fest trying to get even the simplest task handled.
in theory, your problem should be easy to solve. post some detailed photos of the engine and under the dash by the fuse box.
i knew a guy that drove across montana on just a battery when his generator took a dump. for a battery to go dead that quick tells me there is a huge issue.
if you're willing to put in the effort, we can guide you. _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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You’re calling me a creeper? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22463 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:05 am Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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aeromech wrote: |
You’re calling me a creeper? |
I seen the way you look at my bus. _________________
t3kg wrote: |
OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3297 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for the Unexperienced: Subaru Swap for 71 Bay; yes or no? |
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Hi Skills still hard at it I see.
Now I cant get the tutu out of my head. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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