1968 autostick - correct equipment?

[crankbait09]

1968 Autostick, motor #AK194213 (early 70's motor)

After doing some research, I found that the autostick requires specific pieces of equipment.

I am not sure how accurate these model numbers are, but I certainly don't have any of these. What issues, if any, can I run into, by using what I have, rather than replacing for what should have been installed originally?

Carburetor stand should have been #167-1. I have a R9 261
Distributor should be 205P. I have a 205AA
Carburetor should be 34 Pict 3. I have a 30 Pict 3

I have not had this bug running yet, so I can't say if it "does this" or "does that"
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1963 Ragtop

[tasb]

since you are looking into the original distributor which has vacuum advance you will want the distributor to match your carburetor. I would advise using the first three part numbers and the letter digits as there are other "P" and "AA" distributors. The "205" only designates the part as a distributor in VW nomenclature, you need to be more specific with auto stick parts.
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1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc

1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse

[Tom K.]

The autostick version of the carb and dizzy are optimised for smooth acceleration. If you have the wrong versions, then the car should still idle and run fine at top rpm's, but you might bog down during acceleration.
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[crankbait09]

Here are some more exact numbers that I have

Distributor - 113 905 205AA
Starter - 003 911 023A
Control Valve - 330 101 011
Carburetor - 30 PICT 3
Carburetor stand - R9 261

Does that help?
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1963 Ragtop

[sb001]

Is yours a single or dual port setup?
I'll get to why I am asking after your response.
Can you post photos of your setup? It would help immensely.
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1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor

[crankbait09]

it's a dual port. well, that's kinda hard to do.
Since I could not get the engine to turn over / start, we have decided to break the engine down and remove it. Which would lead to cleaning it up, and making everything right. When I get all that done, I will reinstall and hopefully it will start up. I have removed a lot off the engine before dropping, and this engine needs a lot of work. a lot. A lot of little things are missing (mounting hardware), hoses broken, fuel lines not connected, etc.

SO I am trying to get all the components that I should have, and test them to make sure everything is working as they should. Before I reinstall the engine. Which is what prompted this thread.

I'm hoping I'm not over my head with this, but I'm taking it as a learning experience.

I have removed a lot of the top half of the engine already. Was going to remove the mounting bolts in a day or so, to actually drop the engine.

The manifold is all cut up, and the heat risers are welded shut. so i definitely need to replace that.
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[sb001]

Well here's the deal:
Your AA distributor and 30 PICT-3 carb are a good match for each other, but they came on the early (68-70) autosticks, which were 1500/1600cc single ports. Since you have a later dual port setup, they are not optimal and could maybe give you driveability issues. Honestly I am not sure how much difference they would make other than the fact that the distributor advance curve on the later autosticks was quite a bit different.

So you have a couple of options here depending on how genuine you want everything to be and your budget. You could:

a) keep the distributor and carburetor you currently have if they are good, and use them on the current dual port setup after you get a replacement intake (this would necessitate the use of an adapter between the 30 PICT-3 carburetor and the dual-port intake if you don't already have one, since the intake opening on the dual-port was a bit larger than the single port.) This is probably the cheapest route to go but may give you driveability issues, and the engine would need to be timed as if it was an earlier model (0° TDC instead of 5° ATDC as it was on the later models.) We can get into that later if this is the route you decide to go.

b) Swap the distributor to a 113-905-205 AH distributor and the carb to a 34 PICT-3, which would be correct for the 1973 AK dual port engine. Finding a 34 PICT-3 would be no problem but the AH distributor may be a bit tough, and might cost a bit, but this would give you the absolute correct combo for the dual port setup you currently have.

c) Swap the intake and heads to single port and run the distributor and carb you currently have. This would most likely be the most expensive option since heads are not cheap, and you would have to track down the specific autostick single port intake since it has the vacuum port on the neck.

Hopefully someone else can chime in here with more knowledge than I have regarding the intricacies of each of these options, especially option "a" since it will affect the overall engine performance. My personal preference would be to look into option "b" first. It's a little more expensive than option "a" but probably not nearly as expensive as "c" and will give you the best combo of everything (engine, distributor, and carburetor).
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1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor

[crankbait09]

SInce this car is no where near original and is in really rough shape, I am almost certain the the bugs owner doesn't care about things being "true". It's got the wrong engine in place anyways. I am heavily leaning towards option A.

I will have more pictures tomorrow or Tuesday, but that adapter you mentioned for the carb, I am pretty sure that's in place already. I took the carb off the manifold and noticed it looked rather different than what I've ever seen. It certainly looks like a double "base".

I will get more info tomorrow when I get home.
I know I definitely need to replace the intake manifold. I will get the existing model number and see what I can find, if it's the correct one obviously.
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[crankbait09]

Wasn't thinking about the "before" pictures, before I started stripping the engine. Here is an overall shot of what I started with.

The manifold I currently have is 113.129.701BA

Other than reference material, I have nothing to go by, since I can't even confirm when the last time the engine ran. Majority of the hoses were dry rotted and fell apart when removing. One also being the ATF hose that went up into to the right fender area. I am showing a photo of this ATF line that I'm speaking about

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[sb001]

Hmm. have you tried sourcing parts yet? I would make a list of everything you will need to be replacing (especially the autostick related parts since they may be harder to find), and then look for them on the classifieds here, on ebay, on vendor sites etc so you can be sure that a) all the parts you are going to need are obtainable before getting too far into it and b) it is within your budget.
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I'm the humblest guy on this board.

1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor

[crankbait09]

I haven't started searching for anything yet. Was going to wait till I had the engine out, and then start the list.
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[glutamodo]

[crankbait09]

I think I'll be ready to drop the engine tomorrow or wednesday, but when i do, i'll get more photos
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[Tom K.]

Here, probably, is the intake manifold you need:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2428831
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[crankbait09]

Thanks. I saw that one but I was confused by that item on the top/front of it.
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[sb001]

[crankbait09]

Here is a picture of the one that is currently on the bug i have, I was going to ask what the two thing on the front is.

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[sb001]

[sb001]

Here's what the entire EGR valve and downpipe looked like:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2466424

You can see the mounting bracket that those two bolts you have on yours bolt up to.
Don't know that I've ever seen one like the one Tom linked.
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I'm the humblest guy on this board.

1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor

[crankbait09]

does that go through the left side and down through the engine tin?
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