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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:43 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Ghia Reply with quote

Tom K, I just responded to your "pushrod" inquiry in another thread and saw your link to the Ghia. Then I saw/remembered that I already posted a response last year.

Have you done any more work, or assessment of your '65? Did you attend the VW meet at the Mt. Hope Winery near Manheim in late April, to look for Ghia parts?

Exhaust: yours is a "merged" header which has an unusually long "neck" that goes to the flange where the muffler is attached. You can buy more conventional headers that don't have this long neck. Have you taken off your valve covers to see if the heads have any numbers cast into them such as "044", so that you can determine if the heads have larger valves?

All that red in the interior: The already mentioned vinyl spray for the headliner is good advice. To do this, get a good brand such as SEM from a better FLAPS. SEM makes several colors of ivory and white. You can spray it on with the headliner in place, but:
-Do this in the spring on a warm day so that the red vinyl is warmed up
-Wash the vinyl with soap and water to get any surface dirt off. Swipe with a damp sponge.
-Carefully mask the entire interior off, especially the rubber weatherstrips that contact the headliner. The vinyl spray will stick to the rubber so that you want to mask the rubber entirely and carefully. You could try to pull the edges of the rubber down where it contacts the headliner and slip a rope such as clothesline in, to create a spacer where the rubber is held away from the vinyl. That will not only provide a better seal for the masking tape, but after the spray dries, you will have a clean line from the rubber.

You can also use a different color of the SEM to make your door panels 2-tone or a complete color change.

I used SEM white spray 30 yrs ago to blow over some smoker's stains on my '77 Beetle. Did not need to spray the entire headliner. I remember laying a thin sheet of painter's plastic over the entire interior because the spray can's mist will float all around the interior, fall down and touch everything.

Do you have a stock Ghia rear bumper? There are many slight changes from the early 60's thru '71, though any of that era will "fit".

Dimmer switch: Somebody correctly mentioned it is the right style for a '65. '66 went to the switch that was combined with the turn signal switch. But if you don't drive much at night, I'd keep that original switch. I've made it a habit to turn my headlights on even during the day, after a d!psh!t sideswiped my freshly painted Ghia on a local road's adjacent lane because 'he did not see me". That was in 1988.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Ghia Reply with quote

A few more observations:
- Your floor pans are indeed generic replacements. In the front sections they have the large curved groove going forwards and then back along the tunnel. This is for later Ghias that have the cable for the heater footwell outlet running in that groove.
- Tachometer: I find mine helpful. Though your current location down below the steering column is questionable because it is out of peripheral vision. Is the tach body shallow enough to relocate it to the top of the column? If not, consider removing the clock and mounting it in that hole. You could find a cheap, non-functioning stock clock, gut the assembly, then cut a hole in the faceplate so that the tach fits inside. You could even disassemble the tach and remove its face, then find numbers in the same size and font as the clock so that you'd glue them to the perimeter of the clock face in the same location as on the tach.
- Radio: This style radio does not need a faceplate, unlike on a Beetle from the 1960's which had a much wider dash opening. You need to find a radio in which the rectangular center section fits accurately through the dash opening. Looks about the size of a business card. Here's such a radio, though I don't know if a RetroSound modern radio is available with this style of front plate.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Ghia Reply with quote

Thanks for weighing in, Rome. It's been a quiet summer as far as the Ghia is concerned. My home insurance company visited my house last spring and told me to remove the old knob-and-tube electrical system by August 15th. So my summer was spend fishing Romex through holes in walls and then patching and painting those holes. The good news is that I've been daily driving my '70 all summer and just started chasing down a push rod issue on my '71.

I have made some progress on the Ghia. First, I sold all of the extra muffler and headers for pretty good prices. Subtracting that money from my original purchase price reduced my investment to below $500. Then I purchased most of the bumper parts (missing only the rear center blade) and about 80% of the chrome trim pieces. Still need the swan side mirror and the rear view mirror light and the front badge. I haven't made it to a swap meet yet but want to.

Great suggestions on painting the interior. I'll follow your advice to the tee.

It's going to a great project. I'll post updates on Samba. But it will be years instead of months. My next task is to fire up the engine. I want to confirm that it runs smooth enough. I'll check compression, etc Then I'll partially disassemble it just to see what it is - size etc . There are some very nice carbs and other accessories on it. Nice tip regarding reading the heads for clues. I might do that tomorrow.

I have family in Pearl River. Do you ever make it up to one of Chris Vallone's events?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Ghia Reply with quote

^ hey- quite the coincidence. How "central" are you in PA? In the past few years I've been to the VolksFest at the Mt. Hope Winery by Manheim, JuneBug near Reading, and a few car shows south-west of Allentown. You're probably west of those locations.

Yes, I've been to many of Classic VW Bugs' (Chris Vallone's VW resto business) events, from his open houses/informal gatherings which he had thru a few years ago; to some of his fall foliage cruises. I sometimes go there on my own just to try to get motivated again on all of my stalled VW projects, but that has not been effective.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Ghia Reply with quote

I'm about an hour west of all of those places in PA.

I examined the engine today. I'm new to high performance engines, so be patient with me as I try to learn what I have here. First, I spot an external oil filter.
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Second, I spot an electric fuel pump and external oil cooler tucked up under the package tray (love seeing factory green paint!)
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But what is this thing under the sump plate?
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I also inspected the head but can't conclude anything. They are EMPI and the head has what looks to be a serial number. Any thoughts?
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The rocker is not factory. Never seen one like this:
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Also, not pictured, the valve cover has a vacuum line attached to it. This vacuum line runs into the engine compartment where it connects to a line to other valve cover, and then runs into the case. Is this some form of case ventilation system?

Thanks if anyone can chime in.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Ghia Reply with quote

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But what is this thing under the sump plate?

A bolt-on large capacity additional oil sump. General size is approx. 1.5 quarts.

Caution: don't be tempted to raise the rear of the car with a jack placed under the sump plate. Some sumps are not very strong and can collapse. Also, raising the rear of the car at the engine causes strain on the 2 rubber mounts that hold the back of the transmission to the steel support. That's at the joint where the flywheel is inside the transmission. Much better to run the jack farther forward under the frame, where the frame separates from the center spine to the "Y" forks that hold the front of the transmission. And ALWAYS support the raised car using jack stands before you get under it.

Cylinder head observations:
-Dual valve springs; implies a moderate camshaft
-Valve keeper ends ground slightly to create a small space as they grip around the valve end's grooves- good for a higher power application
-No direct telltale as to the head design
-Rocker chamber is clean which is good sign of PO maintenance and oil changes

Rocker shaft is bolt-together (good); rocker arm valve adjustment studs' ends at the valves have the "ball-type" Ford Courier tips. Frequently used for hi-po engines because the flat surface seen on the ball swivels inside the socket so that the flat surface contacts the flat end of the valve end more readily as the rocker makes its arc from fully closed to full lift. I personally don't like them at all. 30 yrs ago I bought my '77 Beetle on which the PO installed a strong 2110 cc engine. He had this style adjustment studs, and I found that the balls would rotate in their sockets as I tried to move the feeler gauge into the gap. I removed them, and installed a set of GeneBerg Porsche-style studs that have a different style of swivel ends which are called "elephant feet". $$ but you could easily and reliably get the feeler gauge into the gap.

Hold a small magnet to the shank of any of your pushrods (not to the tips). You want to determine if they are made of steel (usually chrome-moly) or aluminum. Makes a difference with your cold engine valve lash adjustment.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Ghia Reply with quote

Excellent info, Rome, thank you for your keen observations. Yes, I avoided placing my jack under the sump and used proper jack stands. I'm a rookie when it comes to high performance engines and Ghias, but luckily I've been around the block a few times regarding other things VW.

Next I'll change the gas, fuel lines and oil and then fire it up to see how it runs. It turns easily. Nice tip on checking the pushrods before adjusting the valves.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Ghia Reply with quote

one more thing, your oil lines look very close to the exhaust pipe, I'd add a short length of heat shield to the oil lines and add a 'widget' to make sure they don't touch the exhaust. Fuel pump and oil cooler look fine from these pix though you may want to clip up the wiring a bit better.
I agree about the swivel feet on the rockers, the Gene Berg swivel feet or the Thorsten Pieper swivel feet are much better, last longer and are easier to adjust.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Ghia Reply with quote

Smoking hot deal on this Ghia Tom and high performance engine build as well?! Fantastic.

Your going to have to learn how to use a third pedal though. Laughing

Just some autostick humor there, I couldn't resist. I know you can use a clutch. Wink
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