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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 3011
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Posted: Today 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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good looking dog. |
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 35283 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Today 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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oprn wrote: |
Dusty1 wrote: |
Sounds like you're talking about expanded steel.
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That's the word I was trying to retrieve from this old brain, thanks!
Ya, totally out of place. There is no radiator so no need for all the airflow. I cannot see it enhancing the aerodynamics. Quite the opposite I would suspect. If it was put there just for looks they missed that mark by a mile! |
Reminds me of our screen front door growing up...
If they wanted retro appeal, they should have gone "full V", but chickened out and tried to have it both ways. Fail. _________________ Current Fleet:
- '71 Fastback
- '69 Westfalia
Retired:
- '67 Beetle
- '65 Beetle (x2)
- '65 Bus
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14179 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Today 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Dusty1 wrote: |
Sounds like you're talking about expanded steel.
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That's the word I was trying to retrieve from this old brain, thanks!
Ya, totally out of place. There is no radiator so no need for all the airflow. I cannot see it enhancing the aerodynamics. Quite the opposite I would suspect. If it was put there just for looks they missed that mark by a mile! _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 3011
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Posted: Today 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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I dont think,it is steel.
there is no bumper to protect it, easy to damage
it is ugly
it is artistically out of place, a very angular design on a rounded design front.
looks like crap on that bus. |
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Dusty1 Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2004 Posts: 1784
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Posted: Today 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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oprn wrote: |
No one designed that, you can buy it at any welding supply outlet. I forget the proper name for it but you use it when you build a headache rack your work truck. It keeps stuff in the box from breaking your back window. It's a stamped steel sheet you weld in place and you can still kind of see through it.
It's used on belt guards on industrial machinery too to keep fingers out of the pulleys.
Kind of like the latticework stuff you buy at your local lumberyard to hide the junk under your deck...
Somebody help me out with the name please! |
Sounds like you're talking about expanded steel. Looks like diamond plate only made mostly of holes.
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14179 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Today 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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No one designed that, you can buy it at any welding supply outlet. I forget the proper name for it but you use it when you build a headache rack your work truck. It keeps stuff in the box from breaking your back window. It's a stamped steel sheet you weld in place and you can still kind of see through it.
It's used on belt guards on industrial machinery too to keep fingers out of the pulleys.
Kind of like the latticework stuff you buy at your local lumberyard to hide the junk under your deck...
Somebody help me out with the name please! _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 3011
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Posted: Yesterday 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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oprn wrote: |
finster wrote: |
I don't think the greenkeeper would be impressed with you driving a 2.7 ton vehicle on their grass! |
Oh but it would make a great impression...
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2.7 tons on the lawn is a depressing thought.
Gawd that front grill is so darn ugly, and ripe for extensive damage in even a minor parking lot bump. Looks like one large and likely pricey piece.
The designer of that grill should be dragged from his or her desk taken outside, tied to a post, and fed to wild dogs. It is that ugly. That grill of diagonal lines is puke, cyber truck like. |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14179 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Yesterday 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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finster wrote: |
I don't think the greenkeeper would be impressed with you driving a 2.7 ton vehicle on their grass! |
Oh but it would make a great impression...
 _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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finster Samba Member

Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 9326 Location: not far from the madding crowd
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Posted: Yesterday 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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oprn wrote: |
I saw my first one in the flesh yesterday at a VW dealership.
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are we still talking about boobs here...?
as for the golf cart - I don't think the greenkeeper would be impressed with you driving a 2.7 ton vehicle on their grass! _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect... |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14179 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Yesterday 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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I saw my first one in the flesh yesterday at a VW dealership.
My reaction? Hot dog! That would be the perfect golf cart-limo for a group (company or family reunion game) round of golf! Can you just picture it out there on the green surrounded by a bunch of happy golfers? How many does it seat? Six, eight? Plus golf bags?
_________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 3011
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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KTPhil wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
markswagen wrote: |
come to think about it, a thread about boobs, would be a lot better than a thread about electric vehicles.
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Thread about Boobs? Shit, there's a few threads jam packed full of boobs in here but they are the same droopy, seen 'em before, set... |
But combining them with cold temps can be... entertaining. |
I did not consider that. I have now concluded I need to do everything possible to stop global warming. I am crushing my cars, going vegan, off the grid and protesting oil. We must keep the Earth cool for the sake of the boobs!!!!! Stop global warming NOW!!!!!! |
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 35283 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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crofty wrote: |
markswagen wrote: |
come to think about it, a thread about boobs, would be a lot better than a thread about electric vehicles.
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Thread about Boobs? Shit, there's a few threads jam packed full of boobs in here but they are the same droopy, seen 'em before, set... |
But combining them with cold temps can be... entertaining. _________________ Current Fleet:
- '71 Fastback
- '69 Westfalia
Retired:
- '67 Beetle
- '65 Beetle (x2)
- '65 Bus
- '71 Squareback |
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crofty Judas of the North

Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19751 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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markswagen wrote: |
come to think about it, a thread about boobs, would be a lot better than a thread about electric vehicles.
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Thread about Boobs? Shit, there's a few threads jam packed full of boobs in here but they are the same droopy, seen 'em before, set... _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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I slept on crofty's tent once. I passed out drunk from two bottles of Everett's brother's wine. |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14179 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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I went out in our -30*C weather yesterday to start the car, threw the key fob on the seat next to me and cleared the snow off before starting the car. The dash said "No key" when I got back in... the battery died in the key fob that quick!
Then when I got out on the road I checked my phone... it was dead too and I just took it off the charger before I left!
Go ahead and try to convince me that I NEED an E car here in the winter in Canada! _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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MsTaboo Samba Member

Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4417 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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markswagen wrote: |
EVfun wrote: |
Seeing the rousing success of the EVs are bad thread I was thinking we might keep the love going with a religion thread!  |
my local god botherers have finally learned that my door is not worth their while knocking on.
my mother said it took them almost 10 years before they were willing to try her place, after l left.
there's not much in life that gets me an angry as god botherers do.
l don't care what brand, l despise them all equally. |
Yep, nothing destroys spirituality quicker than religion. _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
The information age has morphed into the age of disinformation and willful ignorance. Agnotology!
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markswagen Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2018 Posts: 1385 Location: san diego
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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terrible movie ?
l didn't think it was that bad.
Floating VW wrote: |
I had one of my posts get deleted for this reason, as well. |
_________________ markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 3011
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Floating VW wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
And my comment was wiped out when I brought up the ice age, so I'll ty again. |
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why posts that refer to the ice age are being deleted?
I had one of my posts get deleted for this reason, as well. |
It may have melted away.
Of course if it is CO2 ice, it may have sublimed away.
Or perhaps someone higher up put a freeze on discussing that subject.
Of course when I was but a lad, I first though a sublime was a deep sea citrus fruit.  |
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Floating VW Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2015 Posts: 1614 Location: The South Zone
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
And my comment was wiped out when I brought up the ice age, so I'll ty again. |
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why posts that refer to the ice age are being deleted?
I had one of my posts get deleted for this reason, as well. _________________ "It's time you started treating people as individuals, rather than mathematically predictable members of an aggregate set, regardless of how well that works." |
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markswagen Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2018 Posts: 1385 Location: san diego
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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you can do better than that.
zerotofifty wrote: |
well dam you!!!!!  |
_________________ markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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zerotofifty Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Back on track
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/audi-unveils-...ngNewsSerp
Note that the writer states...
"But it's important to note that 16.5 billion tons of fossil fuels are dug out of the Earth every year. For comparison, the clean energy transition will require just 30 million tons of minerals per year."
Note that only 30 million tones of mineral will be required for a green transition per year. but remember that pure minerals are rarely ever found. you need to dig up a lot more ore than you get the mineral from that ore. so the above article is very deceptive, 16.5 billion "dug up" verses only 30 million!!!
Per this..
https://www.ncesc.com/geographic-pedia/how-much-earth-is-moved-to-make-a-tesla-battery/
one car needs 30 tons of ore just for the Colbalt, Nickle and Copper required, NOT counting the Lithium brine needed.
So that 30 million tones of mineral is misleading in the first story.
30 million tones of ore is only enough ore for one million electric cars, (not counting the Lithium)
One million electric cars will hardly make a dent in the market, as their is nearly 275 million car in the USA.
green washing deceptive writing to be sure.
Furthermore that 16.5 billion tons of fossils fuels is a total of coal, oil and gas. But not all of that is used for fuel, some of it is used for the chemical industry, to make plastics, fertilizers, paints, roads, roofing shingles, etc... and some of that is indeed used for the manufacture or use of electric cars, again more green washing of the truth
electric cars are not all that green afterall
do to the massive amount of ores required, an electric car has a much larger CO2 manufacturing foot print than normal cars too.
electric cars are not the solution for manmade global warming, even if there were such a thing, and that assumes that global warming is a bad thing too, it may not be so bad.
craziness. |
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