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Xevin 
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oprn
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Q-Dog, I get it that you don't understand electronics. That's cool! I only have a rudimentary knowledge of such things too.
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steve244
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| "charger" is a misnomer. |
That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.
...for $800?  |
Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.
That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.
Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| steve244 wrote: |
| oprn wrote: |
| steve244 wrote: |
| "charger" is a misnomer. |
That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.
...for $800? |
Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.
That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.
Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn |
I see an FCC certification, but nothing about UL/CSA approval, what happens when the fire department fingers it for burning down your house?, does your insurance company say F you?
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nbvolks
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| steve244 wrote: |
| oprn wrote: |
| steve244 wrote: |
| "charger" is a misnomer. |
That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.
...for $800? |
Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.
That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.
Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn |
I see an FCC certification, but nothing about UL/CSA approval, what happens when the fire department fingers it for burning down your house?, does your insurance company say F you? |
Yeah, I would not buy a random one off eBay. There are established companies that have all the necessary ratings, and are well regarded. Those are all in the $400+ range though. I opted for the ChargePoint Home Flex for ours. I wanted it for the smart features, but I needed it for how the cord remains flexible in bitterly frigid temps, since the one at our place in NH is on the outside of the house. |
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madmike
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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anyone see that Porsche with the tesla drive train? only $750,000 it's in the classifieds 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Get rid of that old Leaf, Steve. They are prone to rollovers.
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oprn
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| steve244 wrote: |
| oprn wrote: |
| steve244 wrote: |
| "charger" is a misnomer. |
That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.
...for $800? |
Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.
That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.
Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn |
You supplied the numbers Buddy not me!!!
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| In my case, with 150amp service I wired in a commercial grade Siemens outdoor charging station. The station was about $700 and I spent another $100 on the wiring. |
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Bonesberg55
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Peacocks don't like men. I won't go any further with the description but I will tell you that I was once tearing my mother-in-law's deck apart. There was a peacock that hung around her house all the time leaving disgusting droppings all over the place. I was putting the rotten boards into my van when I was attacked by that stupid bird. He stabbed me in the hand with his talon & just missed a very visible vein that would have caused me to bleed profusely. As it was, I took a break & sat down while I applied pressure & clotted up. He hung around for a couple of days while I rebuilt the deck. Every time he got too close, I would zing him with a rock & he would move away. A few months later he froze to death on that very deck so I got my revenge. If I had an EV, I would have zapped him with the charger. I hate peacocks! |
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steve244
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| nbvolks wrote: |
| busdaddy wrote: |
| steve244 wrote: |
| oprn wrote: |
| steve244 wrote: |
| "charger" is a misnomer. |
That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.
...for $800? |
Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.
That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.
Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn |
I see an FCC certification, but nothing about UL/CSA approval, what happens when the fire department fingers it for burning down your house?, does your insurance company say F you? |
Yeah, I would not buy a random one off eBay. There are established companies that have all the necessary ratings, and are well regarded. Those are all in the $400+ range though. I opted for the ChargePoint Home Flex for ours. I wanted it for the smart features, but I needed it for how the cord remains flexible in bitterly frigid temps, since the one at our place in NH is on the outside of the house. |
This is from Amazon, not ebay. Besides, the car is much more likely to catch fire.
Insurance coverage isn't predicated on having only CSA/UL "listed" electrical devices. (read your fine print). There is no requirement in this country for products to have a certification to be sold.
In any case I tend to agree. I installed a too expensive, commercial, outdoor rated, Siemens charge station that was paid for by taxpayers by means of a tax credit (it was $508 at the time):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MFVI92S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| Get rid of that old Leaf, Steve. They are prone to rollovers. |
My greatest fear is this will be the last car I buy.
My favorite car ever was an '82 CJ7 (bought it new). Talk about prone to rollovers. But I was conscious of Westies back then. They were way too expensive. I think. How much did my westy cost new? Paid about $12K for the Jeep in 82.
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nbvolks
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| steve244 wrote: |
| nbvolks wrote: |
| busdaddy wrote: |
| steve244 wrote: |
| oprn wrote: |
| steve244 wrote: |
| "charger" is a misnomer. |
That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.
...for $800? |
Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.
That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.
Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn |
I see an FCC certification, but nothing about UL/CSA approval, what happens when the fire department fingers it for burning down your house?, does your insurance company say F you? |
Yeah, I would not buy a random one off eBay. There are established companies that have all the necessary ratings, and are well regarded. Those are all in the $400+ range though. I opted for the ChargePoint Home Flex for ours. I wanted it for the smart features, but I needed it for how the cord remains flexible in bitterly frigid temps, since the one at our place in NH is on the outside of the house. |
This is from Amazon, not ebay. Besides, the car is much more likely to catch fire.
Insurance coverage isn't predicated on having only CSA/UL "listed" electrical devices. (read your fine print). There is no requirement in this country for products to have a certification to be sold.
In any case I tend to agree. I installed a too expensive, commercial, outdoor rated, Siemens charge station that was paid for by taxpayers by means of a tax credit:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MFVI92S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1 |
Hahaha...yes, sorry, meant to say Amazon, but was actively on eBay at that moment doing my semi-regular sweep of eBay for NOS VW parts. 😝 |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| steve244 wrote: |
Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.
That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.
Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn |
This guy's still on here pushing his Leaf? Someone at work has one of those saw it in the parking lot a couple days ago with the bumper hanging off, guess they had to choose between $800 cosmetic repair and $800 go cord
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Abscate
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| Get rid of that old Leaf, Steve. They are prone to rollovers. |
My greatest fear is this will be the last car I buy.
My favorite car ever was an '82 CJ7 (bought it new). Talk about prone to rollovers. But I was conscious of Westies back then. They were way too expensive. I think. How much did my westy cost new? Paid about $12K for the Jeep in 82. |
Just get a new one. It’s much harder to turn over a new Leaf.
I think it has something to do with the hood rake.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| Get rid of that old Leaf, Steve. They are prone to rollovers. |
My greatest fear is this will be the last car I buy.
My favorite car ever was an '82 CJ7 (bought it new). Talk about prone to rollovers. But I was conscious of Westies back then. They were way too expensive. I think. How much did my westy cost new? Paid about $12K for the Jeep in 82. |
Just get a new one. It’s much harder to turn over a new Leaf.
I think it has something to do with the hood rake. |
I've had my eyes on a maple leaf.
Did you just set me up for a double pun or was it a triple? Either way, punning is the lowest form of humor.
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oprn
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Good one Abscate!
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Abscate is a Comedian and a Politician.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| Abscate is a Comedian and a Politician. |
Same thing! |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| Abscate is a Comedian and a Politician. |
Same thing! |
He forgot to mention that the weight of the batteries is what stops the leaf from blowing over. That was the politician in him I suspect.
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