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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

Q-Dog, I get it that you don't understand electronics. That's cool! I only have a rudimentary knowledge of such things too.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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"charger" is a misnomer.

That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.


...for $800? Shocked


Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.

That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.

Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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oprn wrote:
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"charger" is a misnomer.

That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.


...for $800? Shocked


Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.

That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.

Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn

I see an FCC certification, but nothing about UL/CSA approval, what happens when the fire department fingers it for burning down your house?, does your insurance company say F you?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
steve244 wrote:
oprn wrote:
steve244 wrote:
"charger" is a misnomer.

That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.


...for $800? Shocked


Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.

That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.

Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn

I see an FCC certification, but nothing about UL/CSA approval, what happens when the fire department fingers it for burning down your house?, does your insurance company say F you?


Yeah, I would not buy a random one off eBay. There are established companies that have all the necessary ratings, and are well regarded. Those are all in the $400+ range though. I opted for the ChargePoint Home Flex for ours. I wanted it for the smart features, but I needed it for how the cord remains flexible in bitterly frigid temps, since the one at our place in NH is on the outside of the house.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

anyone see that Porsche with the tesla drive train? only $750,000 it's in the classifieds Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

Get rid of that old Leaf, Steve. They are prone to rollovers.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

steve244 wrote:
oprn wrote:
steve244 wrote:
"charger" is a misnomer.

That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.


...for $800? Shocked


Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.

That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.

Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn

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In my case, with 150amp service I wired in a commercial grade Siemens outdoor charging station. The station was about $700 and I spent another $100 on the wiring.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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Peacocks don't like men. I won't go any further with the description but I will tell you that I was once tearing my mother-in-law's deck apart. There was a peacock that hung around her house all the time leaving disgusting droppings all over the place. I was putting the rotten boards into my van when I was attacked by that stupid bird. He stabbed me in the hand with his talon & just missed a very visible vein that would have caused me to bleed profusely. As it was, I took a break & sat down while I applied pressure & clotted up. He hung around for a couple of days while I rebuilt the deck. Every time he got too close, I would zing him with a rock & he would move away. A few months later he froze to death on that very deck so I got my revenge. If I had an EV, I would have zapped him with the charger. I hate peacocks!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

nbvolks wrote:
busdaddy wrote:
steve244 wrote:
oprn wrote:
steve244 wrote:
"charger" is a misnomer.

That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.


...for $800? Shocked


Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.

That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.

Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn

I see an FCC certification, but nothing about UL/CSA approval, what happens when the fire department fingers it for burning down your house?, does your insurance company say F you?


Yeah, I would not buy a random one off eBay. There are established companies that have all the necessary ratings, and are well regarded. Those are all in the $400+ range though. I opted for the ChargePoint Home Flex for ours. I wanted it for the smart features, but I needed it for how the cord remains flexible in bitterly frigid temps, since the one at our place in NH is on the outside of the house.


This is from Amazon, not ebay. Besides, the car is much more likely to catch fire.

Insurance coverage isn't predicated on having only CSA/UL "listed" electrical devices. (read your fine print). There is no requirement in this country for products to have a certification to be sold.

In any case I tend to agree. I installed a too expensive, commercial, outdoor rated, Siemens charge station that was paid for by taxpayers by means of a tax credit (it was $508 at the time):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MFVI92S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:04 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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Get rid of that old Leaf, Steve. They are prone to rollovers.


My greatest fear is this will be the last car I buy.

My favorite car ever was an '82 CJ7 (bought it new). Talk about prone to rollovers. But I was conscious of Westies back then. They were way too expensive. I think. How much did my westy cost new? Paid about $12K for the Jeep in 82.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

steve244 wrote:
nbvolks wrote:
busdaddy wrote:
steve244 wrote:
oprn wrote:
steve244 wrote:
"charger" is a misnomer.

That right there explains a lot, thanks! It's just a current limited cord.


...for $800? Shocked


Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.

That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.

Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn

I see an FCC certification, but nothing about UL/CSA approval, what happens when the fire department fingers it for burning down your house?, does your insurance company say F you?


Yeah, I would not buy a random one off eBay. There are established companies that have all the necessary ratings, and are well regarded. Those are all in the $400+ range though. I opted for the ChargePoint Home Flex for ours. I wanted it for the smart features, but I needed it for how the cord remains flexible in bitterly frigid temps, since the one at our place in NH is on the outside of the house.


This is from Amazon, not ebay. Besides, the car is much more likely to catch fire.

Insurance coverage isn't predicated on having only CSA/UL "listed" electrical devices. (read your fine print). There is no requirement in this country for products to have a certification to be sold.

In any case I tend to agree. I installed a too expensive, commercial, outdoor rated, Siemens charge station that was paid for by taxpayers by means of a tax credit:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MFVI92S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1


Hahaha...yes, sorry, meant to say Amazon, but was actively on eBay at that moment doing my semi-regular sweep of eBay for NOS VW parts. 😝
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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Only in parts of Canada. Everywhere else they're $200+ depending on length and amperage capacity.

That's overpriced for copper wire, but they do have electronics and an EV connection.

Limited-time deal: SHOCKFLO Level 2 EV Charger (32Amp, 240V, NEMA 14-50P), Wall-mounted EVSE SAE J1772 EV, Portable Outdoor Electric Vehicle Charger with Adjustable Current/Timing Delay, Plug-in Home EV Charging Station https://a.co/d/1YX6uWn


This guy's still on here pushing his Leaf? Someone at work has one of those saw it in the parking lot a couple days ago with the bumper hanging off, guess they had to choose between $800 cosmetic repair and $800 go cord
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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Get rid of that old Leaf, Steve. They are prone to rollovers.


My greatest fear is this will be the last car I buy.

My favorite car ever was an '82 CJ7 (bought it new). Talk about prone to rollovers. But I was conscious of Westies back then. They were way too expensive. I think. How much did my westy cost new? Paid about $12K for the Jeep in 82.


Just get a new one. Itís much harder to turn over a new Leaf.

I think it has something to do with the hood rake.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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steve244 wrote:
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Get rid of that old Leaf, Steve. They are prone to rollovers.


My greatest fear is this will be the last car I buy.

My favorite car ever was an '82 CJ7 (bought it new). Talk about prone to rollovers. But I was conscious of Westies back then. They were way too expensive. I think. How much did my westy cost new? Paid about $12K for the Jeep in 82.


Just get a new one. Itís much harder to turn over a new Leaf.

I think it has something to do with the hood rake.


I've had my eyes on a maple leaf.

Did you just set me up for a double pun or was it a triple? Either way, punning is the lowest form of humor.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Good one Abscate!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

Abscate is a Comedian and a Politician.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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Same thing!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad Reply with quote

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Same thing!


He forgot to mention that the weight of the batteries is what stops the leaf from blowing over. That was the politician in him I suspect.
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