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TDCTDI
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Yes, but this has been true of all electric cars going back at least to the BMW i3. |
So…. The best option for heat is now the cheap Chinese diesel heaters, there’s irony for you.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| KTPhil wrote: |
Yes, but this has been true of all electric cars going back at least to the BMW i3. |
So…. The best option for heat is now the cheap Chinese diesel heaters, there’s irony for you. |
Who said this was thought through? 
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zerotofifty
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
| KTPhil wrote: |
Yes, but this has been true of all electric cars going back at least to the BMW i3. |
So…. The best option for heat is now the cheap Chinese diesel heaters, there’s irony for you. |
Who said this was thought through? |
I want a coal powered heater for my tesla!!! |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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There’s a local Tesla sporting a vanity tag “COALPWRD”.
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zerotofifty
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| It's amazing to me that electric vehicles have been around since the early 1900s and we're only recently considering them a viable option. As a nation, we went from not even having put a man in space to putting men on the moon in just over 8 years. Why did we drag our feet on this? |
Eight years, why only eight years? Cause them rockets were not battery powered, that is why. Can you imagine if we had to get to the moon with electric, powered by batteries? |
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zerotofifty
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| There’s a local Tesla sporting a vanity tag “COALPWRD”. |
SLAVEPWRD is an accurate plate also, given the slave labor conditions in the mines used to extract the minerals used in making electric cars  |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| zerotofifty wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
| There’s a local Tesla sporting a vanity tag “COALPWRD”. |
SLAVEPWRD is an accurate plate also, given the slave labor conditions in the mines used to extract the minerals used in making electric cars |
Interesting, in a VW forum, given VW's history...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| KTPhil wrote: |
| zerotofifty wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
| There’s a local Tesla sporting a vanity tag “COALPWRD”. |
SLAVEPWRD is an accurate plate also, given the slave labor conditions in the mines used to extract the minerals used in making electric cars |
Interesting, in a VW forum, given VW's history... |
I think VW ended that in about 1945... but now has returned to its "roots" to build EVs! 
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zerotofifty
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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It aint just VW electric cars, many, perhaps most electric cars use materials mined in horrible conditions, workers abused, few workers protections, and last of all little environmental protections at these mines, or in the production of materials in the refinery process.
Something the smug electric greenie car owners like to pretend isnt happening. It is all rainbows and unicorns as for their electric cars they like to think.
Not only that many of these materials are from shall we say, less than stellar nations as for civil rights. We buy materials from them, and their evil rulers rake in the dough. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2025 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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It aint just VW electric cars, many, perhaps most electric cars use materials mined in horrible conditions, workers abused, few workers protections, and last of all little environmental protections at these mines, or in the production of materials in the refinery process.
Something the smug electric greenie car owners like to pretend isnt happening. It is all rainbows and unicorns as for their electric cars they like to think.
Not only that many of these materials are from shall we say, less than stellar nations as for civil rights. We buy materials from them, and their evil rulers rake in the dough. |
You are quite right in pointing out the exploitation of those less fortunate but there's quite a bit of collateral damage done by us consumers not only in the EV space.
Building a new car consumes materials that are sourced from "less that stellar" nations regardless of how the vehicle is powered.
The US is a top tier exploiter for sure and will continue to do so.
Do you recycle?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/1...ur-rubbish
Do you like chocolate?
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/our-work/child-forced-labor-trafficking/child-labor-cocoa
Most EV owners I know aren't "greenies". They are fairly well to do and really don't think much about material exploitation.
The others tend to fall into the "hyper miler" group. Those folks are a strange bunch  |
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zerotofifty
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2025 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| zerotofifty wrote: |
It aint just VW electric cars, many, perhaps most electric cars use materials mined in horrible conditions, workers abused, few workers protections, and last of all little environmental protections at these mines, or in the production of materials in the refinery process.
Something the smug electric greenie car owners like to pretend isnt happening. It is all rainbows and unicorns as for their electric cars they like to think.
Not only that many of these materials are from shall we say, less than stellar nations as for civil rights. We buy materials from them, and their evil rulers rake in the dough. |
You are quite right in pointing out the exploitation of those less fortunate but there's quite a bit of collateral damage done by us consumers not only in the EV space.
Building a new car consumes materials that are sourced from "less that stellar" nations regardless of how the vehicle is powered.
The US is a top tier exploiter for sure and will continue to do so.
Do you recycle?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/1...ur-rubbish
Do you like chocolate?
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/our-work/child-forced-labor-trafficking/child-labor-cocoa
Most EV owners I know aren't "greenies". They are fairly well to do and really don't think much about material exploitation.
The others tend to fall into the "hyper miler" group. Those folks are a strange bunch |
much of the metals to build existing normal cars can be sourced from recycling existing normal cars. New normal cars use pretty much the same amounts of materials used in old normal cars.
electric cars however use vast amounts of materials that either were not used in normal cars (lithium), or are much larger amounts (Copper, Colbalt), and thus require lots of virgin materials to produce, thus the mining of materials in areas that have little if any pollution controls or worker safety laws. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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interesting...(I will understand if this gets deleted  )
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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interesting...(I will understand if this gets deleted )
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It’s one thing to boycott products from a company that doesn’t align with your values or morals, but ya gotta love all the dumb asses that destroy, junk, or sell( usually at a loss) the shit that they already own in order to “spite” whoever did something to offend them.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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A stupid title....or at least poorly researched. There was no stigma to driving a beetle in Germany....in1939. There were only about 50 made in 1939 and it was a huge new project to bring a ton of jobs and "motorize" the nation.
Now....a few years later.....for sure there was stigma!....but the stigma was about ANYTHING German....once the holocaust came to light.....and there was never a stigma in Germany toward driving the Beetle. Shortly after the war, the few beetles they had along with Messerschmidts and the little 3 wheeled refrigerator cars....were pretty much all they could produce.
Any stigma was in other countries AFTER the war. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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I visited Dachau when I was a kid.
It should be a prerequisite for anyone who lets the N-word roll off their lips.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Moderator note:
This is basically political but I'll leave it for now in case people aren't aware of various people selling off Tesla vehicles right now - possible deals if you want one?
I did already edit/remove some political comments so let's leave that aspect out of it.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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If everyone sold off all their cars because they don't like the person who made them we'd all be walking. There's VW and its history everyone knowns.
BMW was saved by a Nazi family. You tube took down the video explaining it so here's a copy: https://www.bitchute.com/video/ErEpxluAiaOM/
Ford was a very well-known Antisemite.
All of those companies are successful even today.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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If everyone sold off all their cars because they don't like the person who made them we'd all be walking. There's VW and its history everyone knowns.
BMW was saved by a Nazi family. You tube took down the video explaining it so here's a copy: https://www.bitchute.com/video/ErEpxluAiaOM/
Ford was a very well-known Antisemite.
All of those companies are successful even today. |
While I agree with your above statements about VW, BMW, and Ford, why would I be walking? VW is a very different company post WWII. I would keep my Bug based beach buggy, my American made Toyota Tacoma, and my American made Hyundai Tucson -- and drive them.
(I may sell my '04 Tacoma single cab 2wd 5-speed Tacoma this year. Now retired, I only put 1038 miles on it last year -- and it only has 72k miles on it since I bought it new.)
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