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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13120 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:05 pm Post subject: The Wildebeest |
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I recently placed an ad in the classified section for a pretty complete, fairly original,1970 sedan, for what I thought was a pretty decent deal.
However, with only a few exceptions, damn near everyone that responded either offered me half (or less), or they started whining about shipping costs & expected me help cover it… Fuck that.
So, I decided to play with it how I please.
Introducing The Wildebeest
By now, I’m sure that most of y’all know that I like to explore & there really isn’t a better platform than an old VW, and since I had another Thing beam laying around…
(Yeah, that one wasn’t as reasonably priced)
I am totally going class 11 style.
So the first step is to start prepping the beam for its new role in this project, and that began by dragging this nasty bitch out & start cleaning it up.
I have found that the easiest, less messy way of cleaning off old grime & paint is to scrape off the bulk of the crap, & then warm the paint with a torch to soften it. And then, using a stiff steel bristle brush to scrub it off.
Yeah, it’s labor intensive, but I only spend fifteen minutes to an hour or so on it at a time as I can.
Once I got the first tube cleaned off, I mapped out & scribed my center lines and then my cut lines.
And then, after removing the spindles & trailing arms, I used a pipe cutter to score a line around the tube.
I learned early on that these pipe cutters are not able to cut completely through the tubes. They get about half way through & start breaking the cutting wheels, but they do a great job of making a perfect score mark around the tube, which then finish making the cut with a die grinder.
Here’s the first adjuster fitted into place.
If you look closely, you can see where I scribed a line on the adjuster. This line corresponds with the center of the adjuster at not quite the lowest setting, just in case. Aside from that, the adjusters will be set to raise the car… in addition to the 3” that the Thing spindles will already raise it. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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calvinater Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3410 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:17 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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_________________ "Albatross"! |
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johnnyvw164 Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2020 Posts: 588 Location: South of Raleigh
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:54 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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A lot of people still expect to pay 1990's prices...LOL.
Looking forward to this build! |
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Dusty1 Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2004 Posts: 1680
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:08 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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I just posted a rant complaining about the relative (compared to 20 years ago) lack of quality engine parts. General consensus is we all want good 'n' cheap.
Turns out anything good isn't cheap.
I likely saw your Bug in the classifieds. $1600 seems reasonable for a good solid project. I would have been knockin' at your door with a towbar and cash if not for the several states between here and there that frown on flat towing. Gasoline over$4.00 per gallon doesn't help.
Congratulations on your new project! I like where you're going with it already. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13120 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:07 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Thanks y’all! I didn’t think that I was out of line, especially since there are plenty of titleless, rotten shells going for that or more.
Anyway, after burning that first adjuster in…
I cleaned it up…
And moved on to the next tube.
_________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2019 Posts: 878 Location: CO
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Nice! I have been waiting on another thread from you. |
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Speycaster Samba Member
Joined: March 21, 2022 Posts: 6 Location: Panhandle, FL
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Nice beads on the welds. I'll be following your posts/ journey. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13120 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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toxicavenger70 wrote: |
Nice! I have been waiting on another thread from you. |
Thank you sir.
Speycaster wrote: |
Nice beads on the welds. I'll be following your posts/ journey. |
And thank you too. And to think that those welds are from a Harbor Freight, 110v, flux core welder.
If only I could make a straight line.
Whilst awaiting some new bits to arrive, I opted to make some gussets for the spindles. I scrounged around for some scrap & found these glorious bits of 3/16” plate.
So I traced their outline onto a piece of cardboard…
And then went about fitting it to the spindle. Once satisfied with the fit, I then transferred that pattern back to the scrap bit.
After that, I carved away the excess…
Due to the sorta helical shape of the spindle, I decided to put a slight bend in the gusset to get a better fit.
Here’s what it looks like in place…
Happy with the results, I tacked it in place & fused them together.
I then repeated the process for the other side.
Dayum, I kilt that wire brush, it was new. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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Beetsme Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2020 Posts: 64 Location: WASHINGTON
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:29 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Nice project. Great work pictures also. I've always admired the skill to be able to take photos in the middle of work. Seems easy right? Well it ain't, at least for me.
What are you thinking for the rear suspension and axles, or have you pondered that far ahead? Class 11 rules...or just class 11 "style" as you say implying some room for artistic interpretation? |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13120 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:18 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Beetsme wrote: |
Nice project. Great work pictures also. I've always admired the skill to be able to take photos in the middle of work. Seems easy right? Well it ain't, at least for me.
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Thank you sir. Yes, there are many times where I’ll “get into the groove” & just forget to take pics. I started doing these threads in an attempt to share some of the experience that I have in resurrecting, modifying (to my taste), & subsequently enjoying these beasts.
I build these cars to WORK, and I then beat the ever lovin dog snot out of them, and as such, all work & modifications will purely be for form & function. That being said, if anyone is expecting shiny perfection, or 100 point restoration, this ain’t the thread for you.
Beetsme wrote: |
What are you thinking for the rear suspension and axles, or have you pondered that far ahead? Class 11 rules...or just class 11 "style" as you say implying some room for artistic interpretation? |
I DQd myself with the Thing beam without turning the first bolt on the car.
Rear suspension will consist of new 29mm torsion bars, notched spring plates, 944/Thing axles, stubs, & flanges, & TypeIII rear brakes, most of which I either already have, or have in order.
Here’s an idea of how I came to that combination & how (and why) this new project will be.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=691306&highlight=ghiapet _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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aquavette Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2007 Posts: 183 Location: Argyle, TX.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Awesome. Love these threads. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13120 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:17 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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aquavette wrote: |
Awesome. Love these threads. |
Thank you sir.
Today I fought with replacing the ball joints.
Testing the limits of my press….
Stuffing the new joints in…
Hey, that section I cut out of the beam really comes in handy.
Sliding the arms back into the beam…
Ooh! Looky dat, new goodies.
_________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it.
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Dan the workingstiff Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2006 Posts: 828 Location: Downriver, MI
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:32 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Nice job on your gussets. _________________ '69 Beetle
'66 FG buggy
My other air-cooled's
'76 IH 1200
'75 IH 1200 |
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aquavette Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2007 Posts: 183 Location: Argyle, TX.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Are Warthog and Skullduggery still in the works?
(Even though I am certain this will be my favorite.) |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13120 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Dan the workingstiff wrote: |
Nice job on your gussets. |
Thank you sir.
aquavette wrote: |
Are Warthog and Skullduggery still in the works?
(Even though I am certain this will be my favorite.) |
No, I sold the Warthog, and Skullduggery is on the back burner. While I loved running around with the doors off, a soft top & plastic side curtains don’t fair well when exploring through overgrown trails & forested areas. Besides, I kinda need a hard top for attaching to and/or hauling stuff around.
Anyway, amongst the recently acquired goodies, I received a “hook & rod” suspension limiter kit. With the new ball joints pressed in & the trailing arms stuffed back into the beam, it was time to map out where each of the bits was ‘spoda go.
I started by removing the clamping studs from the adjusters so I could cycle the suspension to its upper & lower limits.
The next step was to locate where the rod would go. This needs to be positioned ahead of the center line of the axis of the trailing arms to prevent the hooks from contacting each other. However, it also needs to be centered between the trailing arms so that both hooks will correctly contact the rod.
So I held the rod up onto the beam, & set the hooks in place to locate where the rod should be.
Then, using a large C-clamp, I secured the rod to the beam & rechecked the fit.
With that done, I scribed a line around the rod, and to make it easier to see, I gave it a couple quick shots of paint.
After finding the center, I used a 7/8” hole saw to poke a hole through the beam
And stuff one of the rods through…
And ran a bead on it.
Once the rod was secured, I bolted up a spindle & set the suspension at full compression, I then backed it off about 1/8” to ensure that the limiters made contact before the balljoints maxed out, & attached the upper hook using a piece of scrap as a guide to ensure that it was straight
With the upper one attached, I cycled the suspension to full droop & attached the lower hook.
After both rods, and all four hooks were attached, I removed the spindles & yanked the trailing out to finish welding them. To keep from damaging the bearing surfaces of the trailing arms with welding spatter, I slipped a couple of toilet paper tubes over trailing arms.
(Yeah, they kinda tend to ignite with the heat of the welding, you can distinctly see the outline of my thumb where the soot collected around it. )
And proceeded to glue them together.
I also use electrical tape to protect the sealing surface.
Now that they’re all attached & reassembled once again, I thoroughly degreased the beam with acetone, and the slathered it down with some Ospho. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:01 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Wanting to make a bit more progress while waiting for paint to cure a bit more, I decided to tackle replacing one of the torsion bars & it’s spring plate.
Here it is with the typical saggy ass.
Just for comparison, I measured the clearance from the ground to the fender.
I began by jacking it up, removing the wheel, & then I removed the trailing arm bolts & the bump stop.
Next, I unbolted the spring plate retainer.
To get the spring plate & torsion bar out, I found that I could remove the forward three fender bolts & the bolt attaching the running board, and then gently flex the fender out of the way.
I slipped the retainer off…
And after jacking the trailing arm all the way up, I pried the spring plate off the stop.
Once that was off, I removed the original torsion bar, here it is compared with the new one.
Fortunately, I already had a pair of spring plates that were previously notched that I had removed from the Ghiapet, so I wedged some new bushings on it with copious amounts of urethane grease.
I then slipped the new torsion bar in…
After a half dozen attempts of indexing the torsion bar, I finally got the spring plate where it needed to be & then reassembled everything, here is where it sits now.
Looks like about 3.5” difference.
_________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:24 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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Nothing exciting, but the dent in the fender was pissing me off.
So I grabbed a couple greasy boards & clamped them on either side of the fender & slowly straightened the fender out.
Once it was closer to straight, I hammer & dollied the creases out.
Check it out! Those (25 year old) new tires still have the nubs on the tread side. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13120 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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For today’s episode, I replaced the torsion bar & spring plate on the driver side.
The preferred trailing arm bushings are these yeller ones from Kartek. They sourced these from another shop that is no longer around, but they don’t have the outer ones, so I got two sets of inners & ground the nubs off.
Once done, I globed on this nasty, tacky, snot like, goo that is urethane grease to keep the bushings quiet.
And proceeded to tear the corner apart.
I then stuffed the new torsion bar in, tossed the spring plate & retainer on…
I used a few longer bolts to help draw the spring plate retainer in, here they are with one of the original bolts.
And slowly bolted it down until it was close enough to the torsion housing to start the original bolts.
And, well, this is where I got into the groove & forgot to continue taking pics. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:38 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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As much as I wanted to just stuff the beam into the car as it was, I just couldn’t do it, especially since I had stripped what paint there was on it, off.
Unfortunately, that has sent me down the rabbit hole of cleaning & painting everything.
So I tasked myself with continuing the process & I began prepping the rest of the front end components. Here’s the first candidate.
Just so you can see it in the process…
And after it’s silicon carbide exfoliation.
I also had to extract the lower shock collars off the trailing arms. I began by heating them up to expand the collars.
And then coaxed them off with a pair of vice grips.
_________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:20 am Post subject: Re: The Wildebeest |
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With the Thing beam painted & curing, it was time to extract the Beetle beam.
After jacking up the front & removing the wheels, I removed the gas tank & pulled the bolts holding the body to the beam along with the steering damper.
Curious as to how bad the tank was, I removed the fuel sender.
And took a looksie inside.
Not that you can tell from the pic, but it’s actually decent.
Next, I yanked the speedometer cable…
And cut the brake hoses.
I then loosened the tie rod ends & popped them loose with a BFH.
After that, I pried the lock tabs off the bolt on the pitman arm and removed the bolt.
And gently pried the pitman arm off the steering box.
And slid the tierods out.
With that out of the way, I disconnected the steering shaft & removed the steering box.
I then removed the bolts holding the beam to the frame head. And gave the brake drum a gentle nudge.
SUCCESS! _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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