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Looks like 2 of the 3 mustache bar holes were never drilled.
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SGKent
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Universal case 1600 bus bosses issues |
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it is a 181 LHD Thing / Kurierwagen engine case. Look up the AL code. It really only took 12 seconds to Google it. That is how good Google is sometimes.
Does anyone need help learning how to use Google? I'd be glad to help if anyone does. God forbid I die someday and no one else know how to use it.
AL 1600 F4 P 35 47 Type 181 1973 1979
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aeromech
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Universal case 1600 bus bosses issues |
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I’d guess that it’s severely corroded and the rear hanger bolts are damaged. You could buy a brand new case a few years back for about $600.
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: Universal case 1600 bus bosses issues |
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I wouldn’t consider the case pictured a universal case. IMO, a case must have the oil fill block off for T III application.
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: 1600 case bus mustache boss issues |
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My 1971 bus has a new case. It’s been in service about 4 years. Not a drip
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SGKent
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: 1600 case bus mustache boss issues |
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made of Skill's clown meat. You are the dick who said it was a universal case and what was up with it, not me.
How you could ever know whether it is good or not without spending the time to clean and measure first, or are you waiting for the rest of the clown team to come and do that for you? See - I can be a dick too. 
Clean that case if you own it, measure it and see what you have. If it belongs to someone else offer them $50 for scrap prices unless they clean it and measure it first. It could smell worse than the clown meat. Or, be as tasty as a ribeye. If you can afford it, some of these other folks can recommend a good case.
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: 1600 case bus mustache boss issues |
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| My 1971 bus has a new case. It’s been in service about 4 years. Not a drip |
Same here, Gary. My '74 Sun Bug has a new Brazilian case with about 3k miles on it and it has never dripped the first drop of oil. I also opted for the WW silicone valve cover gaskets. My '79 Bus neither drips oil at 112k miles. It's been strange having VWs that don't mark their spots.
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1600 case bus mustache boss issues |
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Back in the 1980’s I tried some Felpro gaskets. They weren’t made of cork. I got 40 miles into Baja and they failed. I had a river of oil flowing from my valve covers. The only thing that saved the day was
1). My VDO oil pressure gauge
2). Me continually scanning my gauges
3). A tube of RTV
4). A couple spare quarts of oil
5). And me doing a roadside repair that held
I’ve never used a non cork valve cover gasket since. These had been recommended by my local auto parts store. When I got home I went back there and let them know.
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 7:23 am Post subject: Re: 1600 case bus mustache boss issues |
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The boss's could be drilled and tapped for the mustache bar bolts. I have repaired them before.
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 7:28 am Post subject: Re: 1600 case bus mustache boss issues |
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| The boss's could be drilled and tapped for the mustache bar bolts. I have repaired them before. |
Before doing that someone needs to look the case over for other damage.
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 7:54 am Post subject: Re: 1600 case bus mustache boss issues |
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| aeromech wrote: |
Back in the 1980’s I tried some Felpro gaskets. They weren’t made of cork. I got 40 miles into Baja and they failed. I had a river of oil flowing from my valve covers. The only thing that saved the day was
1). My VDO oil pressure gauge
2). Me continually scanning my gauges
3). A tube of RTV
4). A couple spare quarts of oil
5). And me doing a roadside repair that held
I’ve never used a non cork valve cover gasket since. These had been recommended by my local auto parts store. When I got home I went back there and let them know. |
Its not that non-cork gaskets (of the right material) are an issue....its that the Fel-Pro VW air cooled VC gaskets have ALWAYS been .....the wrong thickness.
I have the actual measurement in my notebook somewhere but they are roughly 1/5th thinner than a stock rubberized cork VC gasket. Just close enough that at a glance in a hurry I did not notice that they were that much different so I installed them.
I fell for it too....and yes...had a river of oil running from my VC's. Once I pulled them out and was in the process of installing stock gaskets.....and them laying next to each other. and could SEE the thickness difference...it was like "DOH!"
That was about 1992. And....the thickness of the Fel-Pro VW gaskets was STILL incorrect as of about five years ago. A buddy of mine had ordered a set for a tune up I helped him with and I showed him the difference and he got his money back. Previous to this I had only had experience with Fel-Pro's type 4 valve cover gaskets If after 40+ years and they are still wrong....I quit looking at them.
That being said...there is nothing wrong with rubber valve cover gaskets....IF the dimensions are correct and IF the material and material processing is correct.
For our application they could be silicone. Viton or HBNR and work perfectly for many cycles with our oils and heat.
But....all of these rubber elastomers MUST be properly processed or they will have possible failures.
We were just talking about this a week or so ago in the performance forum after a deformation failure of Cip1's aerospace silicone VC gaskets.
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 8:44 am Post subject: Re: 1600 case bus mustache boss issues |
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| aeromech wrote: |
Back in the 1980’s I tried some Felpro gaskets. They weren’t made of cork. I got 40 miles into Baja and they failed. I had a river of oil flowing from my valve covers. The only thing that saved the day was
1). My VDO oil pressure gauge
2). Me continually scanning my gauges
3). A tube of RTV
4). A couple spare quarts of oil
5). And me doing a roadside repair that held
I’ve never used a non cork valve cover gasket since. These had been recommended by my local auto parts store. When I got home I went back there and let them know. |
Its not that non-cork gaskets (of the right material) are an issue....its that the Fel-Pro VW air cooled VC gaskets have ALWAYS been .....the wrong thickness.
I have the actual measurement in my notebook somewhere but they are roughly 1/5th thinner than a stock rubberized cork VC gasket. Just close enough that at a glance in a hurry I did not notice that they were that much different so I installed them.
I fell for it too....and yes...had a river of oil running from my VC's. Once I pulled them out and was in the process of installing stock gaskets.....and them laying next to each other. and could SEE the thickness difference...it was like "DOH!"
That was about 1992. And....the thickness of the Fel-Pro VW gaskets was STILL incorrect as of about five years ago. A buddy of mine had ordered a set for a tune up I helped him with and I showed him the difference and he got his money back. Previous to this I had only had experience with Fel-Pro's type 4 valve cover gaskets If after 40+ years and they are still wrong....I quit looking at them.
That being said...there is nothing wrong with rubber valve cover gaskets....IF the dimensions are correct and IF the material and material processing is correct.
For our application they could be silicone. Viton or HBNR and work perfectly for many cycles with our oils and heat.
But....all of these rubber elastomers MUST be properly processed or they will have possible failures.
We were just talking about this a week or so ago in the performance forum after a deformation failure of Cip1's aerospace silicone VC gaskets.
Ray |
So Ray,
Are you saying these Fel-Pro VS gaskets I recently bought from Flaps will not be correct thickness? I can open them and measure them with my micrometer, but I’ve been keeping them in the shrink wrap in hopes they won’t dry out.
Thanks
Rich P
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Ray is correct. They were thinner. When the leak happened on the road to Rosarito, I popped off the covers and the gaskets grew to the point that I’d never be able to reinstall them. I cut out sections and gooped it together using RTV. Added oil and drove the last 10 miles nervously into town where my first stop was to buy more oil. Fortunately my repair held and we made in back to San Diego. As I recall, the gaskets were not like anything close to cork but a dark gray rubbery material.
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