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RCJH77 Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2022 Posts: 181 Location: Johnson County, KS
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
Great! Bet it feels a lot less loose now. |
Absolutely. There's no movement now.
I also got the safety wire added.
I put everything back together and took it for a test drive. The shifting seems a little smoother, but the grinding into 1st, 2nd, and reverse is still there. I'll try adjusting the stop plate again and change the transmission oil. |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2022 Posts: 181 Location: Johnson County, KS
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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Can anyone tell me what the two bolts on the bottom of my transmission are for? I assume one or both of them is a drain, but everything I've read so far leads me to believe that the drain plug is a 17mm female plug, not a bolt. Maybe the PO replaced it?
And what about the two 17mm female plugs on the drivers side of the tranny?
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24670 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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The two on the bottom are for draining the gear oil. The two on the side are for internal adjustments. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2022 Posts: 181 Location: Johnson County, KS
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:02 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
The two on the bottom are for draining the gear oil. The two on the side are for internal adjustments. |
Thank you!! |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5445 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 7:05 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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RCJH77 wrote: |
I put everything back together and took it for a test drive. The shifting seems a little smoother, but the grinding into 1st, 2nd, and reverse is still there. I'll try adjusting the stop plate again and change the transmission oil. |
When does it grind going into 1st and reverse? Are you sitting completely stopped with the engine running and clutch pushed in, and it grinds a little going into 1st and reverse? That hints at a clutch problem. _________________
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RCJH77 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 7:14 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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EVfun wrote: |
When does it grind going into 1st and reverse? Are you sitting completely stopped with the engine running and clutch pushed in, and it grinds a little going into 1st and reverse? That hints at a clutch problem. |
That's exactly what's happening. It grinds at a dead stop. 😖 |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24670 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:54 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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How much clutch pedal play do you have?? _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26298 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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Grinding going into reverse and 1st. stopped, with the engine idling can be from a bad pilot bearing. It might also affect the shift to 2nd gear. However this is a fairly rare occurrence on Type 1 engines. The pilot bearing is what is pressed into the bolt that holds the flywheel on, called the "gland nut" but it's not a nut, it's a bolt. _________________ Andy T.
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RCJH77 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:09 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
How much clutch pedal play do you have?? |
Not much at all. I had over-tightened it about a week or so ago, but I've since loosened it again. There's a little bit of free play, but not a lot. I may need to loosen it some more. |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:11 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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So I just removed the drain plugs on the transmission and this is what they looked like. Can't be good, right?
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:43 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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It depends on how many years and miles this has been accumulating. If you are measuring decades of service, this is typical. _________________ Andy T.
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24670 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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How much pedal play, as in measure it with a ruler or six inch scale. Then check the owners manual for the range allowed.
Steel light shavings are fine, and normal. You just do not want to find steel chunks of pin head or bigger size. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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glutamodo wrote: |
It depends on how many years and miles this has been accumulating. If you are measuring decades of service, this is typical. |
Okay, good to know. I'm guessing it hasn't been changed in years. |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
How much pedal play, as in measure it with a ruler or six inch scale. Then check the owners manual for the range allowed.
Steel light shavings are fine, and normal. You just do not want to find steel chunks of pin head or bigger size. |
I'll check this tomorrow. Thanks for the clarification! |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:54 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
How much pedal play, as in measure it with a ruler or six inch scale. Then check the owners manual for the range allowed. |
Pedal play is now within the range stated in the manual.
Unfortunately, after changing the transmission fluid and readjusting the stop plate (tried to make it dead center), the grinding problem is now worse. So much so that now I can't even get it to go into first gear. The grinding is way louder now, too.
I'm at a loss. Between installing the new bushing, draining and refilling the fluid, adjusting the clutch, and adjusting the stop plate at least three times now, I would think all of these things would at least make the problem a little better, not worse. Unless you guys can think of anything I may have missed, I'm starting to think I need to tow it to a professional. |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24670 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Mr. Mike Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2015 Posts: 512 Location: Shoreline, WA
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:48 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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You're doing great work addressing the problem yourself and you're better off leaning how to repair it yourself. Samba has the answers and many have made this repair before. If it is the welds broken free, TDCTDI documents opening the tunnel to repair and documents EVERYTHING he does to his vehicles with great details. _________________ 1964 Sedan 6 volt |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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I appreciate the support!
Best I can tell, the welds on the clutch cable tube seem to be good. The weld under the back seat inspection plate is good and under the shifter, I see no movement whatsoever when the clutch pedal is pressed down. I also don't hear anything moving in the tunnel.
So I made a couple more videos. The first is showing the shift coupler as I shift through the gears with the motor off:
https://youtu.be/bUc40Egx8x8
The second is the noises it makes as I try to shift with the car running:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Bk8uhdSX9J8
In the second video, I wasn't able to get it into first, second, or reverse. |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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I tried adjusting the clutch cable again and now it'll go into every gear, but first and reverse still have a little grind. So essentially I'm back to where I started, which is okay for now. At least I can drive it! |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5445 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Beetle 6v - Gearshift Housing Bushing / Shifting issues |
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Have you been able to look at the front clutch cable mount in the tunnel, the one right behind the pedal cluster? If that breaks you get the sensation of a rubber band for a clutch cable, and grinding going into non synchro gears at a stop. It is hard to see with the pedals in place, but with them out a camera phone with a flash should be able to snap a shot and show one side of that mount broken. I've fixed this on 2 buggies, (frame shortening can remove the center mount) the repair would be less fun in a Bug. _________________
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