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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

jimmyhoffa wrote:
Hey VW associates, this is how I do pushrods, I don't believe I'll ever be doing this in a lathe again.

GREAT idea! Next time I have some ALUMINUM pushrods I'll do that too!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Van, use a tap in a hole and your indicator to find centers.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Here's another odd ball set up, modifying piston ring grooves. Fixture was all the work. Customer wanted them wider for more easily acquired rings, they were for the 2 pc.Dykes style before, believe they were 1.5 mm went to 2 mm grooves.
Fixture holds piston close, pulling down on stops in the oil ring groove to square up piston, then indicate piston to center of cut.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

chrisflstf wrote:
Nice work Jimmy. Id like to see someone do a thrust cut clean up or maybe how to cut the bearing to fit on #1. Like how do you clamp the bearing without distorting it?


If you want it perfect, just machine a male collet. Slap the bearing on it and spread the fingers.

Or you can just chuck the bearing w/ some brass on the ID and lightly clamp out. Does not take much to keep it secure. YOu are only taking very small cuts
after all.

I learned how to do a large radius cut when I did those venturi work. I called an old guy I bought machines from long ago in PA. He said - you can't figure out how not to make it chatter, can you? I said no sir - He laughed and said do it this way - that is how we did it in WWI and WW2.

I felt like a dummy - but I was happy. When I sent out the venturis, the person said how did you get them so polished and straight? -my secret. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:30 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

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Van, use a tap in a hole and your indicator to find centers.


I like that. I have used a similar method to find centers of of tapped holes with shoulder bolts. It is a bit more accurate than a center finder in a tapped hole, but only works if the tapped hole is on a flat machined surface. The cool thing about your use of a tap is that you can accurately find a center without needing a flat machined surface. Very cool.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

I recently added a new antique to the home shop. It’s a cute little South Bend 13” x 5’ lathe from the early 60’s. Just big enough to swing a VW flywheel. Now I just have to tool it up. It was poorly repainted green at some point in its life. Previous owner mechanically restored it this year, but didn’t finish repainting it the original grey. It has all new felt wicks, lead screws, half nut, flat belt, freshly adjusted head stock bearings, etc. It has the rare option of a hardened and scraped bed, and the ways are in perfect shape. Super basic and slow by todays standards, but old South Bends with the flat belt drive and plain bronze spindle bearings can do some smooth work.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

That is way newer than my South Bend! I have a drawer full of gears for the feed screw speed but the 1/2 nut threads are paper thin so I have not used them yet. I think someone converted mine to V belt drive at some point. It's an 8" x 33" machine and I wish it was bigger!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

It’s old enough (1961-1962?) to still have the 2-1/4” x 8 TPI threaded spindle… not ideal, but it works.

It came with a Bison 3 jaw chuck and a face plate. I will need to get a 4 jaw chuck so that I can swap parts end for end without loosing concentricity.

I would also love a 5C collet set and the accessories to run 5C in the spindle. That would be great for making pushrods, rocker shafts, etc.

One thing I plan on testing are custom waisted shank head studs. The stock T4 head studs are class 12.9 (stamped on the head side end), m12x1.5 in the case, M10x1.5 in the head, and have a 7mm diameter shank. I would like to try making some shorter studs with an 8mm shank, and see how they pull test. McMaster has class 12.9 M10x1.5 threaded rod. I could turn down the thread in the center to create the waisted shank, and then polish it. Then all is needed is to chase the m12x1.5 hole in the case with an m10x1.5 STI TAP, and instal an insert. Then I can easy run shorter cylinders without running out of thread on the head end.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

If you dont mind me asking, how much does a mill and lathe like that run?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

chrisflstf wrote:
If you dont mind me asking, how much does a mill and lathe like that run?


Somewhere between free and 15 grand depending upon your luck...

Often, you can get a mill for less than it'll cost you to have it delivered..
Or to get 3-phase power...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:
chrisflstf wrote:
If you dont mind me asking, how much does a mill and lathe like that run?


Somewhere between free and 15 grand depending upon your luck...

Often, you can get a mill for less than it'll cost you to have it delivered..
Or to get 3-phase power...


I picked up the mill for 1200, in worn condition. I tore it apart and replaced all the bearings in the head and motor, a couple gears, belts, and a woodruff key. The manufacturer who is based in Muskegon Michigan had everything I needed in stock. All the parts were cheap accept for the spindle bearings… total, I have about 2500 wrapped up in the mill… most of which was the lower spindle bearing.

I am driving the mill from a VFD. Not for speed control, but just to convert single phase 220 to three phase. Good VFDs are cheap these days. I used WEG VFDs for both the spindle motor, and power feed motor. They are good quality, but very basic. Despite being pretty basic, they still have torque vectoring to keep the motor speed relatively constant regardless of load on the motor, which is really nice.

The lathe was a bit more because it was rebuilt with new felt wicks and a bunch of worn parts were replaced with NOS parts. With the hardened bed ways, it’s basically new minus the paint on the headstock, bed, and base. The previous owner gave me the can of the original South Bend grey color if I wanted to finish repainting it. Maybe someday. The weathered green flaking off the the original grey under it actually looks pretty cool.

Again, the lathe will use a VFD to convert from single phase 220 to three phase once I get it hooked up.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

I have a SB13, 1959 vintage. I don’t think the threaded spindle is that big of a deal. How often do you run backwards?

I have a 5C for it, and I like using it as much as possible. I also made an ER40 collet chuck for it, which works well for the in between sizes, as I don’t have all the 5C collets for the rarely used sizes.

Nowadays, 3 phase power is a non issue, as VFD’s are reliable, fairly inexpensive, and provide total motor control.

Here are my ER collet chucks, the big one fits the SB13, the smaller my SB9A.


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SB13 and 5C

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Vfd, vfd controls, and Millrite

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

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I have two of those same exact lathes, and the same green color here. They both came out of a school in Minnesota. Does your have the odd L00 chuck taper?

We use one to wind long coil springs, and the other one is currently getting a quickie rebuild and going into my garage at home.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

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Here's another odd ball set up, modifying piston ring grooves. Fixture was all the work. Customer wanted them wider for more easily acquired rings, they were for the 2 pc.Dykes style before, believe they were 1.5 mm went to 2 mm grooves.
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thats a pretty cool setup. thats how most of the piston manufacturers hold the piston when doing the crown details , whether domes or pockets. very cool!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

/this is turning into machinetool porn - I love it! Laughing

If you are lucky enough to find machines fully tooled and sold like that - grab them fast.

I keep all my toolings - took me years to collect them. Makes it easy to buy machines and not worry about tooling them.

Also - I build my own phase-converters - all rotary. True 3-phase powered machines will reverse if you want them too at full speed. But not if you got them static types power.

That is the beauty of 3-phase power.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

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this is turning into machinetool porn - I love it! Laughing


Yes indeed, almost as much fun as looking at naked women

What do you guys use as a protectant for all the good tools and fixtures to keep them clean and shiny?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Brian_e wrote:
Vanapplebomb wrote:
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I have two of those same exact lathes, and the same green color here. They both came out of a school in Minnesota. Does your have the odd L00 chuck taper?

We use one to wind long coil springs, and the other one is currently getting a quickie rebuild and going into my garage at home.

Brian


No, mine has the old school 2-1/4” x 8 TPI threaded spindle. Not the L00 taper or D1-4 cam lock. Wish I had the D1-4 though.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

I am trying to get this home -

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

This lathe looks very similar to the one I learned on in Highschool.
I cannot remember the brand, too many years, too many beers since those days, way back when.
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I did make some useful tools with it. A die stock, a Husqvarna case splitter, as a couple examples.
I wish I still had those, made by me tools. They worked very well!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Thosed smaller ones are more expensive than the really big gigantic ones. Not everyone can bring home a 10,000 lb behemoth. But those 1000-pounders you can put on your back and bring it home. Laughing
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