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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:11 pm Post subject: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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Hi All.
I inherited a project from a friend who stalled out getting the car back together and running.
10ish years ago he completely disassembled a complete, running 1968 stock beetle, sent the body off to be painted and he upgraded the chassis to add front disc brakes, he bought a swing arm transmission with what appears to be a super diff (maybe from Rancho? He can't remember), and he added a dual webber 2110 engine.
I received the project with the body still off and the front end and pan completed The transmission was not installed and had not yet had the axle shafts installed.
I installed the stock axles with new fulcrum plates on each side, and for the super diff, it also got the two snap rings to eliminate the in and out play. The side covers were installed with the proper number of paper shims to gain appropriate up and down motion of the axles and tubes. I've reassembled several stock transmissions but never have ventured into the modified stuff.
At this point I have installed the transmission and engine onto the chassis. Here's where I'm questioning if something was missed.
If I jack up the whole rear end so the wheels turn freely and put the transmission in neutral, I can rotate the wheels forward or backwards and it is smooth with little effort as expected. Quickly rocking/rotating the wheel back and forth I hear a clunk.
If I move the shift lever to any gear and rotate/rock the wheels I get a distinct clunk before the differential engages enough to make the opposite wheel turn in the opposite direction. I took this video to demonstrate.
I'm not familiar with anything other than a stock transmission so I don't know if this is normal behavior or something is missing or what might be wrong. Since this was a complete replacement transmission from a builder (Rancho likely?) and all that was needed was to add the axles, fulcrums, side plates and tubes, I don't believe there is likely anything wrong with the bulk of the transmission.
Any idea what if anything could be going on here?
https://youtube.com/shorts/TI9FfLgsAsI?f |
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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Any ideas here? |
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4858 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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Fulcrum plate has dropped _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
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02 Mexican beetle
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RCP Phx Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 496 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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Fulcrum plate can't drop as it has no where to go, sounds more like the pinion/ring gear isn't set up properly! |
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2019 Posts: 871 Location: CO
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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mcmscott wrote: |
Fulcrum plate has dropped |
I had the same issue and this is what the problem was. |
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richierich Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2004 Posts: 889
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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toxicavenger70 wrote: |
mcmscott wrote: |
Fulcrum plate has dropped |
I had the same issue and this is what the problem was. |
Same here. _________________ Blah..... |
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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Are the fulcrum plates for a stock axle and a superdif just the normal fulcrum plates or are they somehow specific to the superdif application? |
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RCP Phx Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 496 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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richierich wrote: |
toxicavenger70 wrote: |
mcmscott wrote: |
Fulcrum plate has dropped |
I had the same issue and this is what the problem was. |
Same here. |
Where did it drop to?????? It's not possible!
OP, the fulcrum plates are the same with the exception that they came in +/- sizes to get the recommended clearance. |
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57BLITZ Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2385 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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RCP Phx wrote: |
Where did it drop to?????? |
One of the fulcrum-plates is now out of position....
The axle tube and axle needs to be removed. Then, the fulcrum-plates must be put back into their proper position.... an application of grease will hold them in place while the axle and tube is installed.
Care must be taken until the backing plate/bearing retainer is installed.
The procedure is no different with a super-diff or stock parts! _________________ Jesucristo es mi Seņor y Salvador! |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26790 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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If you want us to go out and clunk our tires it's going to be very subjective. Would recommend instead measure the amount of backlash at a distance. |
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4858 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:14 am Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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RCP Phx wrote: |
Fulcrum plate can't drop as it has no where to go, sounds more like the pinion/ring gear isn't set up properly! |
Untill the bearing cap/retainer is in position the axle can move outward and the plates can drop under the spade of the axle. The snap rings only position the end gear, not the axle, this is why swing axle spools do not have snap rings. _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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OK. I'm back to working on this transaxle.
Pulled the engine and transmission out of the car, and disassembled the left side of the transmission and removed the axle tube.
The fulcrum plates are there and perfectly in place.
The link is a short vid that shows the plates in the sidegear, the in and out movement of the axle spade in the sidegear, and the rotational free-play that is the clunk I was questioning.
My understanding is that the builder Rancho (?) shipped this transmission ready to install the stock sidegear, fulcrum plates, spacer, snap rings, etc. so I'm not confident that something deeper inside is amiss.
Yes, I did have to install the extra snap ring on the left side
I'm mostly wondering if the amount of rotational free play is expected. I know the in-and out free play of the shaft is expected.
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niels_kristiansen Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 19 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Rotational clunk noise with swing arm and superdiff |
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Hi did you find the answer? |
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