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mg50 
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 Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:00 am Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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| Rickf1985 wrote: |
tain areas that you can file and certain areas you do not want to file.
You know, If you keep this up I can see you asking about porting and polishing the heads and cc'ing the combustion chambers. It is a slippery slope building these engines I tell ya". LOL. |
Oh man, I'm already waking up at night worrying if all this will be going back together right. Definitely going to post case pictures for review before I seal up the case. Pulling gears off the crankshaft this afternoon to replace bearing. Hotplate at the ready for putting them back on. Delivering new valves, guides and springs to the machine shop. He didn't like my old springs. |
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mg50
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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I suppose, back in the day, authorized VW shops had specialized c-clip pliers to remove this crank clip. My c-clip pliers not grabbing and holding it. Previous Samba talk references Knipex pliers meant for rings without holes. sigh.
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Busstom
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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| mg50 wrote: |
| ...shops had specialized c-clip pliers to remove this... |
These: https://www.expandingpliers.com/
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Rickf1985
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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| Yup, Those. And if you think a C-clip, (Jesus clip) can fly when it slips off the tool you ain't seen nothing yet!!!!! At least on that one it will be relaxed before it comes off the end of the crank so no flyers. |
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Rickf1985
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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| I always use to heat the gears in a coffee can of oil. Once the oil was smoking the gears were hot enough to drop right on. Plus they had oil on them for lubrication. So if you are only using the hot plate put some oil on the crank for lubrication. This is one time you do not want to take your good old time analyzing what you are doing. As soon as those gears hit the cool crank they start cooling and shrinking so you want to get it lined up with the key ahead of time and then drop it on fast. It pays to have a piece of pipe just big enough to go over the crank so if the gear balks you can tap it down. Doesn't have to be big heavy pipe, I always used a piece of exhaust pipe. Did not usually need it but if the gear gets stuck and cools off then you will be pulling it with the puller and starting over. Or driving it on but if you do that you have to have the correct sized pipe, And you HAVE to hit it straight. |
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Buggeee
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Pruneman99
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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| Spend the $20 on some beefy reverse pliers. The right tool makes a huge difference. It will also keep you from scratching the crank journal all up futzing with that clip, and the wrong tool. |
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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| I have had zero luck forcing the situation with the gears. I heat one, holding with a pair of channel locks, line it up with the woodruff key, and drop it on. If it doesn't drop right on I lift it off asap before it cools. Heat it and try again. When they are ready, they will drop right on. |
By the way the last couple times I've taken to heating the gears with my plumbers mapp gas torch, rather than my wife's electric skillet. I try not to get greedy with the heat, warming and testing and warming and testing until it drops right on.
But its occurring to me that I dont ever see anyone use a plumber's torch. So if someone in the know has just vomited in their mouth a little bit at the sight of my stupidity, would they pleas correct me?
Thank you always!!!
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Buggeee
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Rickf1985
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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I never suggest using a torch for the main reason that a lot of people have no common sense. They do not know when to stop. If that gear turns red it is probably going to wear on you due to lost temper. Most mechanics know when to stop. When I said I heated my gears in a can of oil I failed to mention I heated the can with a propane torch. LOL.
Buggeee, I usually ended up not being quick enough in getting it back off. That was when I went to the pipe, if it snagged in a half second I could tap it with the pipe and it always dropped right on. It usually hangs because it is not perfectly straight but being very hot it is kind of hard to handle to get it straight. |
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Busstom
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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| I have had zero luck forcing the situation with the gears. I heat one, holding with a pair of channel locks, line it up with the woodruff key, and drop it on. If it doesn't drop right on I lift it off asap before it cools. Heat it and try again. When they are ready, they will drop right on. |
By the way the last couple times I've taken to heating the gears with my plumbers mapp gas torch, rather than my wife's electric skillet. I try not to get greedy with the heat, warming and testing and warming and testing until it drops right on.
But its occurring to me that I dont ever see anyone use a plumber's torch. So if someone in the know has just vomited in their mouth a little bit at the sight of my stupidity, would they pleas correct me?
Thank you always!!! |
I've always used my camp stove. I lay a piece of 1/16" plate down and set the gears on that. I've seen some of the guys here also use electric hotplates with success 
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Pruneman99
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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Make sure however you decide to heat it up, make sure you have a plan on how you are going to pick it up, and drop it on the correct way. Don't drop the heated gear on the counter, pick it up in a rush, and drop it on backwards. Not like I've ever done that or anything... 
I did find out one thing out though, the no-name crank gear (EMPI?) is TIGHT compared to a OG one. Almost ruined my gear puller. Every time it moved it sounded like a gun shot. And I had to CRANK on that bastard. I also had to heat it way more than I liked to get it on there.
Replaced with a OG gear, much easier. |
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Pruneman99
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:00 am Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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| As long as we are stacking the gear end... the first time I ever did it I had the thrust bearing on there by mistake and had to pull it apart to put the other bearing in there. |
Haven't seen that done yet, but I'm sure you're not the only one. More common is to get the #3 bearing on backwards. Double check you have the dowel hole the right way before dropping the gear on there.
Makes the split #3 bearing mod kinda interesting. Never done it yet I may someday. |
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mg50
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:19 am Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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Nice. Thanks |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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Lately I’ve been directing people to this because it covers so much information. Not hard to find it’s the first post under stickies in performance forum, but the title is misleading. That’s not a complaint Glenn and thanks for bringing it all together. Shit there is enough stuff here to write a book. 😀
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=387513
After thought. Over the years most anything you can imagine has been hashed and rehashed and there is a wealth of talent here. I’m not gonna name names but many of em run circles around anything I can offer. Pick one of the members here and look at their profile and then look at the topics they’ve started, this can be a different way to find things even though I’ve been here 19 years I can continue to learn new things. Check out performance forum it’s where the heaviest hitters go to talk. |
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mg50
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:31 am Post subject: Re: 71 Beetle engine pull adventure |
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After thought. Over the years most anything you can imagine has been hashed and rehashed and there is a wealth of talent here. I’m not gonna name names but many of em run circles around anything I can offer. |
Understood, thanks. I'm getting better at locating things. I imagine everything I've asked has been gone over many times before, and often with better clarity and images. Though it is satisfying to deal with people in real time as well as using the website for the great library it offers. |
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