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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:50 pm    Post subject: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

Are there any wheel experts here that have a super-secret knowledge of the specs of late-model water-cooled VW OEM wheels? Or a stealthy way to find them?

Specifically I'm looking for load capacity and wheel weight. The parts sites only list size, width, and offset, ie. 8Jx18" ET45.

Particularly for the following OE Wheels:
Code:
5C0601025AKAX1   Beetle   Twister C5Y      8J   18"   ET48
5C0601025H8Z8   Beetle   Silver Disk C2R   8J   18"   ET48
2GJ601025HAX1   Taos      Lagomera      7J   18"   ET45
5N0071498666   Tiguan   Davenport      7J   18"   ET43
3C0071498A      Passat   Velos         8J   18"   ET44
561601025ADFZZ   Passat   Split 5-spoke   8J   18"   ET48
1K5071498      SportWagen   Vision      8J   18"   ET50
5C5071498AX1   SportWagen   Preston      7.5J   18"   ET51
1K0601025BL8Z8   SportWagen   Omanyt      7.5J   18"   ET51
5G0071498A88Z   SportWagen   Pretoria      7.5J   18"   ET51
5G007149816Z   SportWagen   Rotary      7.5J   18"   ET51
3QF601025N8Z8   Atlas      5-spk twin split   8J   18"   ET34
3QF601025L8Z8   Atlas      Prisma Winter   8J??   18"   ET34??
3CM6010258Z8   Atlas X Spt   5-spk V Split   8J   18"   ET34


I am almost sure all of these are 5x112 and 57.1 center bore.

I am asking because I would like to use 18" wheels on my ID.4. "Falun" 18" Alloy wheels are standard on the 52kWh ID.4 in Europe and the UK, and options on the 77kWh. They are 8J x 18" ET45, part no. 11A601025C. They also spec 18" steel wheels with Aero covers.

Both are unavailable in the US. There are also no aftermarket steel wheels sold in the US that meet the weight requirement. DTD wheels are only available in Canada and Alcar only in Europe. The RTX X48512 steelies don't seem to meet the weight requirement, but the info is difficult to find.

GVWR for the ID.4 Pro S AWD is nearly 6,100 lbs (PDF).

The permitted axle weight for the ID.4 AWD is:
1220kg (2690lbs) front / 1560kg (3439lbs) rear
...so that gives us 1,345 lbs per front wheel/tire and 1,720 lbs per rear wheel/tire.

The rear axle weight bias means we need wheels that can support more that 1,720 lbs, preferably 1,800 lbs.

The Atlas is the only VW that has a similar GVWR of just over 6,000 lbs, but those wheels would stick out an extra 11mm due to the +34mm offset. Probably not a huge deal, but they also aren't very aerodynamic and don't look great.
(...and the Touareg at almost 6,200 lbs, but it uses the 5x130 Porsche bolt pattern)

The 2 Beetle sets are my favorite due to their more aerodynamic shape and classic look.

So does anyone have an inside way to get this info?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

Those Beetle 5C0 601 025 AK AX1 wheels weight 12.5Kg and the 5C0 601 025 H 8Z8 wheels weight 12.2Kg.
The Tiguan 5N0 071 498 666 wheel is rated to 650Kg.
The Passat 3C (and Eos 1F) wheels 3C0 071 498 A 666 are rated to 650Kg and were manufactured by RIAL.
The wheel 5C5 071 498 AX1 is rated to 630Kg.

I am sorry that I do not have further knowledge about the remaining wheels you ask about.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

TornadoRed06 wrote:
Those Beetle 5C0 601 025 AK AX1 wheels weight 12.5Kg and the 5C0 601 025 H 8Z8 wheels weight 12.2Kg.
The Tiguan 5N0 071 498 666 wheel is rated to 650Kg.
The Passat 3C (and Eos 1F) wheels 3C0 071 498 A 666 are rated to 650Kg and were manufactured by RIAL.
The wheel 5C5 071 498 AX1 is rated to 630Kg.


Thank you so much @TornadoRed06 for that info! That is a great start.

Do you know the rating for the Beetle wheels? I guess no, but just in case you forgot to post that with the wheel weight.

650kg is not enough for the ID.4, so that's helpful.

I will update my Google Spreadsheet and share it here.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

Concerning your latest question, the data I have shown in my first reply is all data I have at the moment regarding those wheels.

I will have a look on what is being delivered on the ID cars here in Europe and will report back.

Now, back to the beginning, I see that you are looking into 18" wheels. VW in Europe sold the GTI clubsport that could had forged aluminum wheels 5G0 601 025 CF FZZ on 7½ J x 18, ET49, those weighted 7.60Kg but surprisingly they were rated just to 575Kg, being forged I would have expect more than that.

On the 5x112mm bolt pattern, you have indeed some chance with Porsche. The Macan is the only Porsche of the modern era that do not run on the typical 5x130mm. You have the Macan S wheel on sizes 8J/9J x 18, ET21. These are very good forged aluminum wheels made by Fuchs.

Greater ratings, I know of the following wheels:
8½J x 18H2 ET45 3D0 601 025 AB 8Z8 weight 11.4Kg rated 840Kg
8½J x 18H2 ET45 3D0 601 025 Q 88Z rated 835Kg
7½J x 18H2 ET40 3D0 601 025 B Z31 rated to 830Kg
8½J x 18H2 ET45 3D0 601 025 C Z31 weight 11.4Kg rated to 775Kg
8J x 18H2 ET43 4D0 601 025 AH 1H7 weight 11.2Kg rated to 740Kg
7J x 18H2 ET43 5NA 071 498 rated to 730Kg
8½J x 18H2 ET45 4E0 601 025 AC QPW weight 11.4Kg rated to 725Kg
7½J x 18H2 ET40 4E0 601 025 Q Z17 weight 11Kg rated to 725Kg
8½J x 18 ET45 4E0 601 025 M 03C weight 13.3Kg rated to 724Kg
8½J x 18H2 ET46 4F0 601 025 AL 8Z8 weight 13.3Kg rated to 700Kg
8J x 18H2 ET48 4D0 601 025 AL Z33 weight 11.9Kg rated to 700Kg
8J x 18H2 ET43 8E0 601 025 AN 1H7 weight 11.7Kg rated to 700Kg
8J x 18H2 ET43 8E0 601 025 BA 1H7 weight 12.7Kg rated to 690Kg
8J x 18H2 ET43 8E0 601 025 BF 8AU weight 12.5Kg rated to 690Kg
8J x 18H2 ET43 4F0 601 025 DC 1H7 weight 12.8Kg rated to 690Kg
8J x 18H2 ET48 4F0 601 025 AA Z33 weight 10.2Kg rated to 690Kg
8½J x 18H2 ET20 8D0 601 025 T 1H7 weight 13.1Kg rated to 675Kg
8J x 18H2 ET38 4F0 601 025 BN 8Z8 weight 12.8Kg rated to 675Kg
8J x 18H2 ET40 4F0 071 498 666 weight 11.6Kg rated to 675Kg
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

Amazing, thanks so much! I'll look at those Porsche wheels.

EDIT:
The Porsche Macan Fuchs 5-spoke Silver wheels mentioned above are
95B 601 025 AP (front)
8Y x 18" ET21 5x112 66.6 center bore (needs rings)

This means they'll stick out almost a full inch further than stock.

The look great! I could not find a load capacity, but the Macan GVWR is just over 5,700 lbs (about 2,600kg), so it's hard to say if these wheels will handle the weight of the ID.4 or not.

The rear 5-spokes are:
95B 601 025 AK (rear)
9Y x 18" ET21 5x112 66.6 center bore (needs rings)

... so 9" wide.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:12 am    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

Any idea what the rating is on the OEM Falun 18"s?

11A 601 025 C FZZ

...just to satisfy my curiosity.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

Writing as a follow up on this, unsure if in the meantime you managed to get the informations you were seeking.
I've managed to find, at least, 3 types of tires that VW is using paired with Falun 18" wheels here in Europe:

235/60R18 103T Pirelli Scorpion
235/60R18 103T Hankook Ventus S1 evo3 EV
235/60R18 103T Bridgestone Turanza Eco

From these 3 options, I will recommend opting for Pirelli or Hankook as they are noticeably quieter (69dB) on the European Test protocol.

On the other hand, I know that on the 18" steel wheels there's the option for Goodyear tires, but at the moment do not know much more, I will return back when I find out more on that.
You may also find interesting tire data and products having a look on what is being made available in your location on the product twins Toyota bz4X/Subaru Solterra, they are using the same tire size 235/60R18 at least here in Europe.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

Thanks so much for following up @TornadoRed06.

Your post with the weight ratings was very helpful, and helped me discover that the 4 Phaeton wheels you posted would be a nearly perfect fit for the ID.4 and Audi Q4 e-tron.

The Phaeton wheels have the same 57.1mm center bore and 45mm offset as the stock ID.4 wheels, but are 8.5 in. wide instead of 8 in. so will require at least 235mm tires (which is stock minimum anyway). 255 will work too, of course.

Perhaps more exciting, the 7-spoke "Challenge" wheels and the 12-spoke "Performance" wheels from the Phaeton are still available brand new from US dealers (special order) since the Phaeton was sold in Europe for so long!!!
You can find pics here

VW Challenge 3D0 601 025C Z31
VW Performance 3D0 601 025S Z33

They are not cheap! If you call Bud Clary VW in Auburn, WA they will still sell you parts at their "Internet Pricing" of cost plus 20%; they used to run the 1stVWparts.com site years ago. That could bring the "Challenge" wheel price to around $570 plus freight or $850 for the "Performance".

There are still a good number of used ones floating around on eBay though.

I've created a Google Sheet of some OEM and aftermarket wheels that may work for the ID.4 and Audi Q4 e-tron:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KnzFn3_Q2DH1d5SunwyRXZPxLh-fk-x-lhwyJhv6cFs/

Anyone can add comments to it and I'll update it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

That's great to hear @waldo22!
I've went back and noticed that I hadn't mentioned those "Performance" Pheaton wheels, they are Fuchs made wheels, no wonder that they weight just 12.45kg.
Further to that, Fuchs made also (note revised data):
8J x 18H2 ET48 4D0 601 025 AL Z33 rated to 700Kg weight 10.70Kg
8,5J x 18H2 ET45 4E0 601 025 AC QPW rated to 725Kg weight 11.70kg
8J x 18H2 ET48 4F0 601 025 AA Z33 rated to 690Kg weight 10.60kg

In the meantime, I've also managed to write down the part-number for the 18" steel wheels:

7.5Jx18H2 ET50 #1EA 601 027 03C
8Jx18H2 ET45 #1EA 601 027 A 03C

Maybe you can order them into the USA also, I saw you mention them being unavailable.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

To wrap this up, I installed the Phaeton "Challenge" 18 in. wheels this weekend with 235/60 tires on front and 255/55 on rear.

I think they look much more "friendly", classic VW than the machined, black-painted stock wheels. ...and at 18 inches the ranged/efficiency should be much improved.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: Stock Wheels load capacities and weights Reply with quote

Hello I found this thread and hoping someone here can tell me the load rating of the VW Eurovan 5 spoke 16x7 inch stock rims.

I think the part number is 7D0601025B

Such as this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/145233995191?hash=item21d...R_jBoOTMYg

Thanks
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