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1970fun Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2008 Posts: 210 Location: Holland
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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What kind of steering would you get if the notch in the eccentric camber adjusting bushing is facing backward?
Just found out that mine is facing to the back and the Bentley manual says it should point forward, i think the allignment shop did this a few years ago but never noticed |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41105 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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it normally starts facing forward if you don't know where it was, but the actual camber when measured specifies where it will end up. You could have a bent part, or the shop may not have set the correct camber. Find an old time shop if you can. The newer shops aren't likely to have experience with a VW bus. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 51072
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Insufficient caster will cause the vehicle to want to go anywhere but straight ahead. With the notch forward you have significantly more caster than with the notch facing back.
To achieve maximum caster, what I recommend is that you always have the notch facing dead forward +/-45°, if you can't get the camber in spec doing this then try to get the camber on both sides the same, all the while keeping the notches on both side within 45° of dead forward. It won't hurt much if the camber is a bit out of spec so long as both sides have the same camber. |
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1970fun Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2008 Posts: 210 Location: Holland
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Thanks Guys, i gonne adjust it with the notch pointing to the front and report back how the ride is compared to my old setting. |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12847 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Use a coupon and take it to an alignment shop.
Give them these specs.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41105 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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1970fun wrote: |
Thanks Guys, i gonne adjust it with the notch pointing to the front and report back how the ride is compared to my old setting. |
That's really funny. LMAO
They make a cheap $10 - $15 camber alignment tool you can put on a flat surface and see what your camber is. I don't know if they make one that has a large enough surface area to mount on a VW bus wheel though. It's really designed for tires where a rotor is exposed. A tape measure will set toe. Get them wrong and the damage to the tires will cost you more than an alignment.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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1970fun Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2008 Posts: 210 Location: Holland
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Well adjusted it today after i marked 3 edges of the nut and turned it 180 degrees to the front, that should do it for the test ride.
Noticed a little better straight ahead driving but not as much as hoped for but my still prety stiff febi ball joints could play a part in this as well!
Needs further allignment at a good shop, any pointers for a full tank or not and extra weight in the front cabin? |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 51072
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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1970fun wrote: |
Well adjusted it today after i marked 3 edges of the nut and turned it 180 degrees to the front, that should do it for the test ride.
Noticed a little better straight ahead driving but not as much as hoped for but my still prety stiff febi ball joints could play a part in this as well!
Needs further allignment at a good shop, any pointers for a full tank or not and extra weight in the front cabin? |
Actually you would want to mark the original 90° location towards the wheel, measure the angle between the 90° position and the notch, say 50° and then turn the eccentric until the notch was 50° in front of the 90° position. This should give you close to the same camber as you had originally, but yes going to an alignment shop would be best.
There are some good DIY threads and it doesn't take much in the way of tools to do a front end alignment, I just use a tape measure, a torpedo level, and an easily made jig. A dead level surface is require if you aren't comfortable with math.
Have the alignment done with the weight you typically have on board, remember to put some weight up front to simulate the driver and passenger. |
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Busdriver79 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2011 Posts: 1655 Location: The Peoples' Republic of "No" Jersey
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Who sells replacement eccentric bushings?..The bushing in the left upper ball joint is stuck and I can't get it off..Right side OK..Ideas? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51792 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Busdriver79 wrote: |
Who sells replacement eccentric bushings?..The bushing in the left upper ball joint is stuck and I can't get it off..Right side OK..Ideas? |
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Busdriver79 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2011 Posts: 1655 Location: The Peoples' Republic of "No" Jersey
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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I found a good way to remove this bushing...use a pneumatic muffler "burp gun" with a flat head blade...a quick burst, and VOILA !!! Thanks anyway, Busdaddy. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51792 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Good to hear it worked, the wedge is a very powerful tool, aim for the old ball joint to avoid F'ng up the bushing too much. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Zed999 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2018 Posts: 1292 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:44 am Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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1970fun wrote: |
Well adjusted it today after i marked 3 edges of the nut and turned it 180 degrees to the front, that should do it for the test ride.
Noticed a little better straight ahead driving but not as much as hoped for but my still prety stiff febi ball joints could play a part in this as well!
Needs further allignment at a good shop, any pointers for a full tank or not and extra weight in the front cabin? |
Yes, until (if) they loosen up even the correct caster won't be enough. |
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Good Old Dusty Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2016 Posts: 17 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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I used a ball joint separator to remove the bushing from the ball joint.
The question I have now is, should I put anti-seize compound on the outside of the bushing before reinstalling it into the steering knuckle? |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41105 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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it won't hurt anything in my opinion. Do clean it well first. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1484 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Busdriver79 wrote: |
Who sells replacement eccentric bushings?..The bushing in the left upper ball joint is stuck and I can't get it off..Right side OK..Ideas? |
Busstom in the Lowering thread posted a link to new, more eccentric bushings.
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 51072
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Shonandb wrote: |
Busdriver79 wrote: |
Who sells replacement eccentric bushings?..The bushing in the left upper ball joint is stuck and I can't get it off..Right side OK..Ideas? |
Busstom in the Lowering thread posted a link to new, more eccentric bushings.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/162604378677 |
That link says the eccentric fits and Bus but the application chart says it does not. I wouldn't buy without getting clarification from the seller. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41105 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Shonandb wrote: |
Busdriver79 wrote: |
Who sells replacement eccentric bushings?..The bushing in the left upper ball joint is stuck and I can't get it off..Right side OK..Ideas? |
Busstom in the Lowering thread posted a link to new, more eccentric bushings.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/162604378677 |
That link says the eccentric fits and Bus but the application chart says it does not. I wouldn't buy without getting clarification from the seller. |
I think a couple places sell refurbished ones that have been re-plated. There is really no reason to need a new one. Most are in excellent shape once cleaned up. That said, the part number is 211405319 / 211-405-319 . Google it and pick someone you like who sells it. Even CIP has repros. There are many ads for them. I am pretty sure Ken Madson at TheBusco or Chris at Busted Bus, Averys Air Cooled would have good used ones. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 4317 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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Busdriver79 wrote: |
Who sells replacement eccentric bushings?..The bushing in the left upper ball joint is stuck and I can't get it off..Right side OK..Ideas?[/quote
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This is 3.5 yrs old, and the poster solved it, but for posterity, I was going to suggest another option: cut the stem of the ball joint just above the eccentric, then invert it on a press and drive the stem out. _________________ My name's Steve and it's pronounced "Bust 'em" (cuz people think I'm Tom) 😏 |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41105 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Eccentric camber adjusting bushing |
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or use one of these and a press or BFH
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