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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 1:53 pm Post subject: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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I'm seriously thinking about buying this Ghia. Owner is asking $12k. Body matches the pan and he has the title.
I'm more of a Type 1 Ghia and Bug guy so I don't know much about it, only that they're rare. Needs a total restoration; holes in floor, rockers, lots of rust on the body and inches of bondo. Is $12k a good price considering it's rare? _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22425 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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As for what it's worth, that's whatever someone will pay for it. That car will need at least 12K just to get it right again (you doing ALL of the labor). The stuff that's missing will be a small fortune. I think Pedro paid 200 for a set of 62 front seats, that still needed seat covers as an example. Check with ISP west for the cost of seals (trunks, doors front and rear glass, and the rear pop out seals) That'll be over a grand by themselves. How do I know this? I rebuilt a rusty 64 T-34 back in 2010-2012, and spent more money than I wanted to on it. Personally, I'd pass on this one, unless you want to drive it as a "rat rod". _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Ossipon Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2021 Posts: 474 Location: KS
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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I see you are restoring a Ghia coupe in your Sig line. Spend the 12K on it and be happier you walked away. I can only assume this one is a roller.
I started with my 64 Notch in similar condition and paid 4 for it. I am doing the majority of restoration and have about 8 into it now. (And still not done)
The difference for me was everything in regards to parts and trim (Seats, trim lights, etc) were there already. I can see lots missing and more body work that needs lots of help. The Typ 34 bits will break you in ways you had not considered.
I WANT a Typ 34. But, I would not pay more than 4 for this as it is knowing I would likely need to put 14-20 to get it where I would be happy. And I am an easily happy person _________________ Ossipon
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Peter D. Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2004 Posts: 718 Location: Stamford, CT
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Yeah, that makes total sense He actually has the seats in storage but I didn't see them.
I looked on Bring a Trailer and the highest selling one went for $49K. So a $12k purchase price plus the cost of restoration doesn't work make sense.
I guess I was caught up in the moment having never seen one in person. It's a very cool car. _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22461 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
Yeah, that makes total sense He actually has the seats in storage but I didn't see them.
I looked on Bring a Trailer and the highest selling one went for $49K. So a $12k purchase price plus the cost of restoration doesn't work make sense.
I guess I was caught up in the moment having never seen one in person. It's a very cool car. |
12 k for whats there even ith seats is not worth it. That's a mmm 5 to 7 k car.
Pedro got 62 seats for 200 cuz hes Pedro Most seats when the come up are 500 to 1100 asking. Front headlights complete and ready to install - $2200. Fog in same good condition - $1500. Push button - $600. Dash pads Upper & Lower - $2000 for non cracked pair - maybe more - if you are lucky to spot an ad. The turn signal assembly and steering column with a nos or even working ignition with key - $800 to $1800.
It goes on and on. If you want a Type 34 Ghia. Save 25 to 35 k and be ready to buy one ready to drive. These are more like restoring Porsche 356's with out the luxury of finding the parts like a Porsche. _________________
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Peter D. Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2004 Posts: 718 Location: Stamford, CT
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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I actually reached out the guy who is painting my Ghia. He said he helped someone restore a Type 34 Ghia ten years ago. The owner sold it for $90k at auction. But I think that might be an outlier price. I don't see even a mint condition Type 34 Ghia going for that price. _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
I actually reached out the guy who is painting my Ghia. He said he helped someone restore a Type 34 Ghia ten years ago. The owner sold it for $90k at auction. But I think that might be an outlier price. I don't see even a mint condition Type 34 Ghia going for that price. |
The nice ones this year have sold in the 60k range.
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Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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I’ve been building Ghia, Beetles and split buses for decades and did my first type 3 this year and it was an expensive learning experience. My hats are off to you type 3 guys, I doubt there is a more difficult and expensive vintage VW to restore and then top it off in this case it’s a type 3 Ghia, I’d stick with type 1 Ghias my man. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69824 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
I actually reached out the guy who is painting my Ghia. He said he helped someone restore a Type 34 Ghia ten years ago. The owner sold it for $90k at auction. But I think that might be an outlier price. I don't see even a mint condition Type 34 Ghia going for that price. |
Yes, if true, this sounds like 2 people went crazy against each other at auction.
It happens... same with the original $200K 23-Window Bus. _________________ How to Post Photos
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Peter D. Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2004 Posts: 718 Location: Stamford, CT
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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EverettB wrote: |
Yes, if true, this sounds like 2 people went crazy against each other at auction.
It happens... same with the original $200K 23-Window Bus. |
Haha, yes... pray for a bidding war! _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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Peter D. Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2004 Posts: 718 Location: Stamford, CT
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Braukuche wrote: |
I’ve been building Ghia, Beetles and split buses for decades and did my first type 3 this year and it was an expensive learning experience. My hats are off to you type 3 guys, I doubt there is a more difficult and expensive vintage VW to restore and then top it off in this case it’s a type 3 Ghia, I’d stick with type 1 Ghias my man. |
Yes, as if a regular Ghia wasn't trouble enough... I told the owner no but he won't take no for an answer, lol. _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4189 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Maybe you can get it for way cheaper. The Europeans work with worse cars than that one. Type 34 parts are NOT scarce. There just isn't a good market for them. Ask around and you will find everything. Now, with most rubber being reproduced, it should be easier to restore than a few years ago, when we relied on NOS or good used parts. Ask everyone you come across if they have any type 34 parts. If you have experience restoring a regular Ghia, You shouldn't have a problem restoring a type 34. I have owned a few suckers, restored one that became a 1st place winner reusing all the old rubber and cleaning up the stock chrome. Bought a restored one and drove it to Mexico. Bough another complete car and practically gave it away as I walked away from the VW scene for a while.
Now I own a '63 type 34, I had no problems sourcing the missing parts as it came almost complete (except the freakin radio plate, now I have 3) But can't find a reasonable body and paint guy close to me to et this project done as my go to body and paint guy doesn't want to do restoration work, only insurance work. I am no VW expert but I can offer help if needed as I have been into these cars since the 90's with no help. Sourced every single part myself and actually had a loooong parts for sale list a while back. Buy everything you find!!
Want trouble? try restoring a '65 sunroof Squareback using only NOS parts! That took over 25 yrs of collecting.
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I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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ALLWAGONS wrote: |
Maybe you can get it for way cheaper. The Europeans work with worse cars than that one. Type 34 parts are NOT scarce. There just isn't a good market for them. Ask around and you will find everything. Now, with most rubber being reproduced, it should be easier to restore than a few years ago, when we relied on NOS or good used parts. Ask everyone you come across if they have any type 34 parts. If you have experience restoring a regular Ghia, You shouldn't have a problem restoring a type 34. I have owned a few suckers, restored one that became a 1st place winner reusing all the old rubber and cleaning up the stock chrome. Bought a restored one and drove it to Mexico. Bough another complete car and practically gave it away as I walked away from the VW scene for a while.
Now I own a '63 type 34, I had no problems sourcing the missing parts as it came almost complete (except the freakin radio plate, now I have 3) But can't find a reasonable body and paint guy close to me to et this project done as my go to body and paint guy doesn't want to do restoration work, only insurance work. I am no VW expert but I can offer help if needed as I have been into these cars since the 90's with no help. Sourced every single part myself and actually had a loooong parts for sale list a while back. Buy everything you find!!
Want trouble? try restoring a '65 sunroof Squareback using only NOS parts! That took over 25 yrs of collecting.
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I'm afraid those days are gone brother. When is the last time you sourced an upper or lower dash? Steering column? Door caps? Arm Rests? And had more than one part to choose from if you even were lucky to find one? Or not be scared off by the high asking price. _________________
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Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4189 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Dash pads sets, have 3. Steering columns have two and an NOS turn signal lever. NOs rubber galore. Headlight bezels both NOS AND USED. Really, all you have to do is ask. And none of this came from San Diego. It has come from all over the world and a lot from the LA area.
Hoarding is NOT a CRIME! _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Sourcing arts... had not considered that.
This Ghia comes with an extra Type 3 motor, extra speedometer, door striker, new tail lenses and new front turn signal lenses, and a turn signal switch.
I noticed the door caps are present but cracked. They make them for regular 73/74 Ghias but I guess not type 34.
All the other parts are on the body but yes the body is a mess. LOL I still like it though. I may buy it and stick in storage for a couple of years until I'm ready to work on it.
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ibjack Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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ALLWAGONS wrote: |
Dash pads sets, have 3. Steering columns have two and an NOS turn signal lever. NOs rubber galore. Headlight bezels both NOS AND USED. Really, all you have to do is ask. And none of this came from San Diego. It has come from all over the world and a lot from the LA area.
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Martin, you've been doing this a long time and have great connections and know where to look. No parts from the south of you because we have over 20 T34s in San Diego. Does your t34 just need body and paint or do you need metal work? _________________ '68 Lotus White T34 automatic sunroof
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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ibjack wrote: |
ALLWAGONS wrote: |
Dash pads sets, have 3. Steering columns have two and an NOS turn signal lever. NOs rubber galore. Headlight bezels both NOS AND USED. Really, all you have to do is ask. And none of this came from San Diego. It has come from all over the world and a lot from the LA area.
Hoarding is NOT a CRIME! |
Martin, you've been doing this a long time and have great connections and know where to look. No parts from the south of you because we have over 20 T34s in San Diego. Does your t34 just need body and paint or do you need metal work? |
Im speaking in realistic terms as well for the person right now tying to get the parts. I do agree that just asking will for sure lend itself to yielding a lot of parts otherwise not listed.
So how much you want to sell this guy a headlight package, upper & lower dash and a nos rubber package to get him started? Huh?
Or are you going to keep you hand clutched tight to it because its irreplaceable like the rest of us hoarders? 😎🤙🌺 _________________
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Oh, boy... I didn't mean to starts a fight!
I'm personally sitting on a bunch of Type 1 Ghia parts that I would gladly sell so they can be put to good use. I sometimes go the extra mile to restore them so they can be bolted on right away. As to whether or not someone wants to pay me $200 for a vent control is another story, but if I go through the trouble of buying and disassembling a parts car and restoring the part, that's my bottom line.
Looking through the classified at for Type 34 parts they seem to be about as expensive as early Ghia stuff. _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Or are you going to keep you hand clutched tight to it because its irreplaceable like the rest of us hoarders? 😎🤙🌺 |
SI! _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
Oh, boy... I didn't mean to starts a fight!
I'm personally sitting on a bunch of Type 1 Ghia parts that I would gladly sell so they can be put to good use. I sometimes go the extra mile to restore them so they can be bolted on right away. As to whether or not someone wants to pay me $200 for a vent control is another story, but if I go through the trouble of buying and disassembling a parts car and restoring the part, that's my bottom line.
Looking through the classified at for Type 34 parts they seem to be about as expensive as early Ghia stuff. |
No fights here, we all know and respect each other. All I am saying is that you, on your own with enough $ can locate everything you need. Ask anyone in the type 34 community what have I ever bought from them? Most of my finds have come from non type 34 people. _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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