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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
Oh, boy... I didn't mean to starts a fight!
I'm personally sitting on a bunch of Type 1 Ghia parts that I would gladly sell so they can be put to good use. I sometimes go the extra mile to restore them so they can be bolted on right away. As to whether or not someone wants to pay me $200 for a vent control is another story, but if I go through the trouble of buying and disassembling a parts car and restoring the part, that's my bottom line.
Looking through the classified at for Type 34 parts they seem to be about as expensive as early Ghia stuff. |
No fights here, we all know and respect each other. All I am saying is that you, on your own with enough $ can locate everything you need. Ask anyone in the type 34 community what have I ever bought from them? Most of my finds have come from non type 34 people. |
Yes no fight Peter. You just have the rare opportunity to see several old school Type 3 weirdos chime in on your project T34.
And as I was leaning twards - yes you can and will find the stuff to make the car. But now a days you will end up with a car that's worth 50k after spending 70k to get it there.
If you want a T34 to enjoy, best sell what you have for whatever you can get and find a Ghia more complete and ready to drive. _________________
t3kg wrote: |
OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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1964 T34 S Convertible
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Cool, yes I see the Type 34 Ghia community is pretty tight. I actually haven't bought the car yet. Heart says "Go for it!" and and the brain says "what are you, stupid?" LOL
There's a really nice one for sale in Holland. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2584150
Yes, it's disassembled but it needs minimal body work comparatively and it has an original interior. But the cost to import is insane.
I think if I did buy it I would just restore the chassis and get wiring working and just drive it as a rat rod. Collect parts for a few years until my son graduates from college... at which point I'd be in a better spot to do the body. Little by little at which point I'll be too old to enjoy it from my room at the nursing home _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
Cool, yes I see the Type 34 Ghia community is pretty tight. I actually haven't bought the car yet. Heart says "Go for it!" and and the brain says "what are you, stupid?" LOL
There's a really nice one for sale in Holland. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2584150
Yes, it's disassembled but it needs minimal body work comparatively and it has an original interior. But the cost to import is insane.
I think if I did buy it I would just restore the chassis and get wiring working and just drive it as a rat rod. Collect parts for a few years until my son graduates from college... at which point I'd be in a better spot to do the body. Little by little at which point I'll be too old to enjoy it from my room at the nursing home |
Yes, that's an excellent car to restore. If you got it in the 18-20k range even at 5k to ship and import would still bode well overall on your investment.` _________________
t3kg wrote: |
OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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1964 T34 S Convertible
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13247 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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yep, you'll be way way way ahead with that car, even getting it over on a slow boat. I had considered it at one point but would rather have other cars... |
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Yes, the cost to get it to my door is over $7000! Looking for a cheaper quote.
I like that it has a sunroof but I wish it was an earlier car with a manual transmission and five lug wheels.
I still haven't made up my mind. _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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Peter D. Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2004 Posts: 718 Location: Stamford, CT
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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I did a Type 34 search and couldn't find an answer to my question so here goes:
Is there any huge difference in the fit and finish of body panels from Wagner Blechteile and The Bug Box/Walter Jelenik? Wagner parts are less expensive but something tells me that the Bug Box parts are closer to original and are going to fit better.
If anyone has experience with both or either supplier please weigh in.
thanks! _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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ibjack Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2002 Posts: 2105 Location: Imperial Beach CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
Yes, the cost to get it to my door is over $7000! Looking for a cheaper quote.
I like that it has a sunroof but I wish it was an earlier car with a manual transmission and five lug wheels.
I still haven't made up my mind. |
As an owner of a four lug, disk brake, automatic,12 volt, sunroof 68 T34 its quite luxurious to drive.
I also have a 64 T34 as my daily to compare it to.
Each has its own qualities that make it special _________________ '68 Lotus White T34 automatic sunroof
'64 Manila Yellow T34
'65 Sea Blue Square Panel
the1500club.com
Shop Lacky at the T3/34 Factory, https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100094313902074 |
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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ibjack wrote: |
Peter D. wrote: |
Yes, the cost to get it to my door is over $7000! Looking for a cheaper quote.
I like that it has a sunroof but I wish it was an earlier car with a manual transmission and five lug wheels.
I still haven't made up my mind. |
As an owner of a four lug, disk brake, automatic,12 volt, sunroof 68 T34 its quite luxurious to drive.
I also have a 64 T34 as my daily to compare it to.
Each has its own qualities that make it special |
I'm sure it's great! I'm just a snob when it comes to driving manual. I traded in perfectly good daily driver with 28k miles for a new car with a manual. I was just so bored by the automatic. I live in a hilly area and it never down shifted when I needed it to.
Anyway, call me crazy but I'm buying it! Comes with the headlights, an extra 1600 type 3 motor with 60k miles, seats in terrible condition, new tail lights, and a non-functioning beat-up looking gas heater. Currently cranks but does not start.
Short term goal will be to get it running and registered. Then after my Type 14 Ghia is done, I will do a full pan restoration with the body popped off, and drive it around as a rat rod for the time being. Stay tuned for a new thread about my Type 34 (and hopefully not an impending divorce ) _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
ibjack wrote: |
Peter D. wrote: |
Yes, the cost to get it to my door is over $7000! Looking for a cheaper quote.
I like that it has a sunroof but I wish it was an earlier car with a manual transmission and five lug wheels.
I still haven't made up my mind. |
As an owner of a four lug, disk brake, automatic,12 volt, sunroof 68 T34 its quite luxurious to drive.
I also have a 64 T34 as my daily to compare it to.
Each has its own qualities that make it special |
I'm sure it's great! I'm just a snob when it comes to driving manual. I traded in perfectly good daily driver with 28k miles for a new car with a manual. I was just so bored by the automatic. I live in a hilly area and it never down shifted when I needed it to.
Anyway, call me crazy but I'm buying it! Comes with the headlights, an extra 1600 type 3 motor with 60k miles, seats in terrible condition, new tail lights, and a non-functioning beat-up looking gas heater. Currently cranks but does not start.
Short term goal will be to get it running and registered. Then after my Type 14 Ghia is done, I will do a full pan restoration with the body popped off, and drive it around as a rat rod for the time being. Stay tuned for a new thread about my Type 34 (and hopefully not an impending divorce ) |
The one overseas? _________________
t3kg wrote: |
OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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chicagovw Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Chicago IL/CHandler AZ
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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I think the one in the pics you posted would be a real challenge, but a very cool car to restore. Looking at a beat down car that needs a full restoration like this, it is hard to factor in a return on your investment. From an investment point of view, there are MANY far better places to put your money, both automotive and otherwise. If you did get all of the parts etc for $15-20K and did all of the work yourself, your time is worth something, and often a car that needs this much work will have you working for about 10 cents an hour. If you farm it out, a high quality, professional shop will charge more than this car will be worth.
However, I totally think that this car is worth doing a full restoration on in more important ways! |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22358 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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notchboy wrote: |
Peter D. wrote: |
ibjack wrote: |
Peter D. wrote: |
Yes, the cost to get it to my door is over $7000! Looking for a cheaper quote.
I like that it has a sunroof but I wish it was an earlier car with a manual transmission and five lug wheels.
I still haven't made up my mind. |
As an owner of a four lug, disk brake, automatic,12 volt, sunroof 68 T34 its quite luxurious to drive.
I also have a 64 T34 as my daily to compare it to.
Each has its own qualities that make it special |
I'm sure it's great! I'm just a snob when it comes to driving manual. I traded in perfectly good daily driver with 28k miles for a new car with a manual. I was just so bored by the automatic. I live in a hilly area and it never down shifted when I needed it to.
Anyway, call me crazy but I'm buying it! Comes with the headlights, an extra 1600 type 3 motor with 60k miles, seats in terrible condition, new tail lights, and a non-functioning beat-up looking gas heater. Currently cranks but does not start.
Short term goal will be to get it running and registered. Then after my Type 14 Ghia is done, I will do a full pan restoration with the body popped off, and drive it around as a rat rod for the time being. Stay tuned for a new thread about my Type 34 (and hopefully not an impending divorce ) |
The one overseas? |
That was my question too.
If it's the "parts" car, then expect to dump a lot of time and money into it. I just say that from previous experience, and not just from a T-34 experience. My 71 Notch needed a ton of fabrication work, and Neil supplied me with a pick up truck full of parts to fix it (it needed them all). Fortunately I already had a running engine for it, although I rebuilt one for it that I put the FI on.
In hindsight, I should have just cut the roof off it, and converted my topless Square to a notch with a lift off roof like I originally planned. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Sorry, I'm back... money has not actually exchanged hands yet but it's the rough looking one that needs a full restoration. However, my goal is to just get it running, restore the chassis (most of which I can do myself) and enjoy as a rat rod for now. My Type 14 is going to be the nice show car. This is just something to enjoy on a sunny day and not care if it gets scratched when parked at the grocery store.
But you guys are starting to scare me a little bit! It would be a shame to part this car out. They're so rare that I think they all deserve to be restored or at least made to run again.
It's an early car so I've noticed right away that brake parts are hard or impossible to find. However, the guy working on my 65 Ghia has a stash of early NOS Type 3 brake parts. The rest of the missing parts actually come with the car including the front seats. They're just in a box.
Anyway, I think it's safe to say that a majority of project cars here on thesamba are upside down investments. There's actually a shop not far from me that charges $80k restore Ovals but the same price for a Super Beetle, and he has a waiting list. _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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ibjack Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
Sorry, I'm back... money has not actually exchanged hands yet but it's the rough looking one that needs a full restoration. However, my goal is to just get it running, restore the chassis (most of which I can do myself) and enjoy as a rat rod for now. My Type 14 is going to be the nice show car. This is just something to enjoy on a sunny day and not care if it gets scratched when parked at the grocery store.
But you guys are starting to scare me a little bit! It would be a shame to part this car out. They're so rare that I think they all deserve to be restored or at least made to run again.
It's an early car so I've noticed right away that brake parts are hard or impossible to find. However, the guy working on my 65 Ghia has a stash of early NOS Type 3 brake parts. The rest of the missing parts actually come with the car including the front seats. They're just in a box.
Anyway, I think it's safe to say that a majority of project cars here on thesamba are upside down investments. There's actually a shop not far from me that charges $80k restore Ovals but the same price for a Super Beetle, and he has a waiting list. |
Don't let the rumor that brake parts are impossible to find. Plenty of wheel cylinders out there. Rebuild parts are same as super beetle. Stuff like headlights, dash pads and taillights are the hard to find parts. Check out t34world.com for lots of great information _________________ '68 Lotus White T34 automatic sunroof
'64 Manila Yellow T34
'65 Sea Blue Square Panel
the1500club.com
Shop Lacky at the T3/34 Factory, https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100094313902074 |
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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ibjack wrote: |
Don't let the rumor that brake parts are impossible to find. Plenty of wheel cylinders out there. Rebuild parts are same as super beetle. Stuff like headlights, dash pads and taillights are the hard to find parts. Check out t34world.com for lots of great information |
That's a great tip on the brakes, thank you. I see that this community is small but very helpful. _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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ibjack wrote: |
Peter D. wrote: |
Sorry, I'm back... money has not actually exchanged hands yet but it's the rough looking one that needs a full restoration. However, my goal is to just get it running, restore the chassis (most of which I can do myself) and enjoy as a rat rod for now. My Type 14 is going to be the nice show car. This is just something to enjoy on a sunny day and not care if it gets scratched when parked at the grocery store.
But you guys are starting to scare me a little bit! It would be a shame to part this car out. They're so rare that I think they all deserve to be restored or at least made to run again.
It's an early car so I've noticed right away that brake parts are hard or impossible to find. However, the guy working on my 65 Ghia has a stash of early NOS Type 3 brake parts. The rest of the missing parts actually come with the car including the front seats. They're just in a box.
Anyway, I think it's safe to say that a majority of project cars here on thesamba are upside down investments. There's actually a shop not far from me that charges $80k restore Ovals but the same price for a Super Beetle, and he has a waiting list. |
Don't let the rumor that brake parts are impossible to find. Plenty of wheel cylinders out there. Rebuild parts are same as super beetle. Stuff like headlights, dash pads and taillights are the hard to find parts. Check out t34world.com for lots of great information |
There's always the option to convert to 5 lug disc brakes as well. I did that on my 64 T-34, but when I sold it, I included ALL of the 5 lug drum brake parts I had for it. The wide 5 disc conversion worked great though, even in the mountains of Colorado. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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I did end up buying the car. I have not given it a cute name yet but I'm leaning towards "The Money Pit" or "The Rust Queen". LOL
I will post a new thread with updates soon. _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Peter D. wrote: |
I did end up buying the car. I have not given it a cute name yet but I'm leaning towards "The Money Pit" or "The Rust Queen". LOL
I will post a new thread with updates soon. |
Good luck with it. Expect a huge learning curve to go along with it. You might want to "bookmark" my 64 T-34 restoration of Wolfie, as it covers quite a bit about T-34 items that I ran into. Just a heads up, it's a long thread with a lot of pictures. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
Peter D. wrote: |
I did end up buying the car. I have not given it a cute name yet but I'm leaning towards "The Money Pit" or "The Rust Queen". LOL
I will post a new thread with updates soon. |
Good luck with it. Expect a huge learning curve to go along with it. You might want to "bookmark" my 64 T-34 restoration of Wolfie, as it covers quite a bit about T-34 items that I ran into. Just a heads up, it's a long thread with a lot of pictures. |
Just don't call it the "Albatross". _________________
t3kg wrote: |
OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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notchboy wrote: |
Bobnotch wrote: |
Peter D. wrote: |
I did end up buying the car. I have not given it a cute name yet but I'm leaning towards "The Money Pit" or "The Rust Queen". LOL
I will post a new thread with updates soon. |
Good luck with it. Expect a huge learning curve to go along with it. You might want to "bookmark" my 64 T-34 restoration of Wolfie, as it covers quite a bit about T-34 items that I ran into. Just a heads up, it's a long thread with a lot of pictures. |
Just don't call it the "Albatross". |
How about "Divorce Court Exhibit A"? _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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Peter D. Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Type 34 Ghia I found for Sale |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
Peter D. wrote: |
I did end up buying the car. I have not given it a cute name yet but I'm leaning towards "The Money Pit" or "The Rust Queen". LOL
I will post a new thread with updates soon. |
Good luck with it. Expect a huge learning curve to go along with it. You might want to "bookmark" my 64 T-34 restoration of Wolfie, as it covers quite a bit about T-34 items that I ran into. Just a heads up, it's a long thread with a lot of pictures. |
78 pages... I have a lot late night reading ahead of me, thanks! _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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