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maui Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2004 Posts: 438
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:20 pm Post subject: Cb dist coil |
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For the guys who have it,da ting tell a 30,000 volt coil, so how is it with 7500 rpm and 40 to 45 plug gap with 2500cc and 10 to 1 Comp. Spark seams low to me. |
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5292 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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You need to check out jpaull post on page 3
China distributor & tips
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9767 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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Maui,
Why are you running such a large sparkplug gap?
Unless you have a CDI system in the car.
You should be running a sparkplug gap near .028". That's what I run with the CB MagnaSpark II and the dry pack coil.
And yes, JPaull's "Chinese MSD clone" thread is a wealth of information on ignition systems for VW's. _________________ I have learned over the years.
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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The CB Magnaspark coil original OEM application is Mitsubishi PN: MD146982, OEM for 1990-1996 Mitsubishi Mighty Max, Dodge Ram 50 with 2.4L 4G64 engine, recommended spark plug gap was .028-.030”
Specs from CB-
Turns Ratio: 72:1
Inductance: 8 mh
Primary Resistance: 1.1 OHMs
Secondary Resistance: 13.5K OHMs
Maximum Voltage: 30,000 Volts
Peak Current: 45 mA
Spark Duration: 2.5 mS
I wouldn’t think it makes sense to go bigger on the gap, it’s not a terribly powerful coil. _________________ 73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3464 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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Hey Maui,
The cb magnaspark coil and distributor are like one level above stock. It has a longer duration spark, but the spark is not very intense. It will work for what you have. Its simple and very low cost.
That being said, getting a setup that has a separate CDI as its power supply with a appropriate coil for that spark will be better then running off a coil by itself. Crane, MSD, FAST, etc. You have been working on that 2.5l for awhile, it deserves a healthy ignition. Is worth the time and research.
Mike and Rusty, appreciate the props The thread is a hoot, I think anyone that takes some time to go through it, can come up with a educated decision on what they want, and do it for super low cost and be reliable. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21518 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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jpaull wrote: |
Hey Maui,
The cb magnaspark coil and distributor are like one level above stock. It has a longer duration spark, but the spark is not very intense. It will work for what you have. Its simple and very low cost.
That being said, getting a setup that has a separate CDI as its power supply with a appropriate coil for that spark will be better then running off a coil by itself. Crane, MSD, FAST, etc. You have been working on that 2.5l for awhile, it deserves a healthy ignition. Is worth the time and research.
Mike and Rusty, appreciate the props The thread is a hoot, I think anyone that takes some time to go through it, can come up with a educated decision on what they want, and do it for super low cost and be reliable. |
Yes....agree. Voltage wise, 30kv is mid-level.
30kv is better than the 18-20kv you get with stock coils. But its not enough voltage to be moving to larger plug gaps at a longer duration. It would be better at shorter duration.
Yes a CDI would be better....but you do not even need that on more basic systems. You can run something like a hall effect module for sharper more uniform on/off signal and go with something like the Pertronix 42Kv coil.
That supports higher compression at higher rpms and bigger plug gaps.
As jpaul notes....30kv is not especially powerful if part of your plan is larer plug gaps.
That being said....0.043" ...in modern ignition systems is pretty much right in the middle of normal. Either get a more powerful coil or keep your gaps in the normal acvw range.
Ray |
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jimmyhoffa Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2014 Posts: 1058 Location: St. Louis
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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Lingwendil wrote: |
The CB Magnaspark coil original OEM application is Mitsubishi PN: MD146982, OEM for 1990-1996 Mitsubishi Mighty Max, Dodge Ram 50 with 2.4L 4G64 engine, recommended spark plug gap was .028-.030”
Specs from CB-
Turns Ratio: 72:1
Inductance: 8 mh
Primary Resistance: 1.1 OHMs
Secondary Resistance: 13.5K OHMs
Maximum Voltage: 30,000 Volts
Peak Current: 45 mA
Spark Duration: 2.5 mS
I wouldn’t think it makes sense to go bigger on the gap, it’s not a terribly powerful coil. |
WoaaahDeWOAAH WHAT? I tried to find this info. I think CB uses a cheap "okey dokey" version of that coil, which I am on my third one of in 5,000 miles. Turns out, there is an NGK version!!
https://www.ngk.com/ngk-49044-u1180-ignition-coil
Am I about to have the most reliable modern ignition system out there? A reliable version of the chronically unreliable CB single post dry pack coil was my missing puzzle piece. The centrifugal Magnaspark with mag trigger is brick solid IMO. Coil? An affordable afterthought. _________________ 1974 Chenowth 2RL #1244 Street Legal
My other car isn't ridiculous. |
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maui Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2004 Posts: 438
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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Yea I running a DUI and hei with 45 plug gap and run good but now the timing is getting iratic so I’m looking around cuz mine one stay 11 years old. Or I could rebuild it. |
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c77owen Samba Member
Joined: July 07, 2017 Posts: 454 Location: Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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I've had some issues with the DUI modules breaking down on VW applications (still love them for our circle track V8 engines). Not sure why since the heat and vibration in that distributor shouldn't be any different than in a V8 dirt track car, but that could be what you are fighting. |
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maui Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2004 Posts: 438
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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Mine run super good but da ting is big so I like a small one so when I checked it out it was running a iratic timing on my light 29 to 36 degrees instead of 32 so I figure it’s time for another or rebuild it to new. |
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Frank Bassman Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2012 Posts: 894 Location: Miami
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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Try a ford tfi with an HEI off a late 80s ford V8.
Plug gaps at 0.045 and better idle and response all around. Coil runs cool too compared to all else. I too had a cb coil before at 0.028 plug gaps and it fried. Not impressed.
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maui Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Cb dist coil |
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got another DUI/HEI and timing is solid so I'm happy. |
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