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RustPatch Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2007 Posts: 119 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Pressure plate contact inside belhousing |
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There was nothing wrong inside the tunnel, although the group of tubes including the clutch cable tube had a zap strap around them, which I thought was weird.
I tried a different pressure plate and disc with instant results. I have pedal pressure when I'm supposed to now. I won't know if the problem is solved until I try it with the new disc as the test disc is well worn out.
Both pressure plates are F&S. The one I tried today has VW stamp and part number stamped 111 141 025. The height of all relevant surfaces are the same when unloaded, plus there a few aesthetic differences but 3 main differences I found on the "new" plate.
-The release plate is thicker and 5mm bigger in OD (ID is the same).
-The release arms are shorter.
-The release plate doesn't move when loaded on the flywheel.
I don't know why this one is working, just that it is working.
I won't know for certain that this is the fix until I test it with the new disc but first I'll need to clean up this crusty old part so I don't foul up the new disc.
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9863 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Pressure plate contact inside belhousing |
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AWESOME! Hope it works with the disc installed! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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RustPatch Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2007 Posts: 119 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Pressure plate contact inside belhousing |
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Update.
Pretty sure mdege is right that the problem is the clutch disc thickness.
This pressure plate does not work with the new disc installed. With the old disc installed (7.3mm thick) the release plate is 27mm from the flywheel surface, which is good. With the new disc installed (9.4mm thick) the release plate is all the way down to 21mm from the flywheel surface. No good.
I adjusted the previous pressure plate with the new disc installed so that the release plate is 27mm and I think everything is working as it should. I can at least adjust pedal play properly. I'll update when I get the engine running again.
I'd like to have adjusted both pressure plates to the new disc thickness but I can't figure out how they stake the nuts on the older style pressure plate. _________________ I've been known to be wrong. |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24643 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Pressure plate contact inside belhousing |
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RustPatch wrote: |
Update.
Pretty sure mdege is right that the problem is the clutch disc thickness.
This pressure plate does not work with the new disc installed. With the old disc installed (7.3mm thick) the release plate is 27mm from the flywheel surface, which is good. With the new disc installed (9.4mm thick) the release plate is all the way down to 21mm from the flywheel surface. No good. . |
7mm is the worn out limit for the clutch disc. Your flywheel is screwed up. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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RustPatch Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2007 Posts: 119 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Pressure plate contact inside belhousing |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
7mm is the worn out limit for the clutch disc. Your flywheel is screwed up. |
Where can I find the problem with the flywheel? When I had it turned, I measured it and found the surfaces to be flat to within 0.001", parallel to within 0.001", and 24mm apart. _________________ I've been known to be wrong. |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24643 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Pressure plate contact inside belhousing |
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RustPatch wrote: |
Eric&Barb wrote: |
7mm is the worn out limit for the clutch disc. Your flywheel is screwed up. |
Where can I find the problem with the flywheel? When I had it turned, I measured it and found the surfaces to be flat to within 0.001", parallel to within 0.001", and 24mm apart. |
Then perhaps the pressure plate is off. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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Dan22 Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2019 Posts: 450 Location: Battle Ground, WA
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Pressure plate contact inside belhousing |
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RP,
Did you get this figured out? My bet is on too thick clutch disk as that directly affects how far those adjustment nuts protrude from the flywheel when all installed. Then pushing the clutch pedal raises them even more. _________________ 1-0900722 die langsame grüne Schildkröte
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RustPatch Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2007 Posts: 119 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:45 am Post subject: Re: Pressure plate contact inside belhousing |
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Dan22 wrote: |
RP,
Did you get this figured out? My bet is on too thick clutch disk as that directly affects how far those adjustment nuts protrude from the flywheel when all installed. Then pushing the clutch pedal raises them even more. |
Yup, I think so. I got my carb back so I could do a running test this weekend. Goes through all the gears a lot more smoothly (now that the clutch can fully dis-engage), and there's no more contact inside the bell-housing.
When I got the disc I didn't think it was that much too thick, the book says up to 9.2mm and I'm only 0.2mm above that but I guess if the pressure plate isn't adjusted for that thick of a disc you get the issues I had.
Thanks everyone for all the advice, greatly appreciated! I'll update if there's a problem, but for now, I think we've fixed it. _________________ I've been known to be wrong. |
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