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crofty
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 Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:28 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| Are any of you catching this rain water in barrels or cisterns , so you have water for your vegetable gardens when the drought starts in the spring? |
Cisterns are prohibited in most cities. That should change.
Rain barrels help a bit, more for the pure chlorine-free water than the volume saved.
Replanting for drought-tolerance is the best answer.
Gardens don't take much water if you flood or drip water them. |
❏ Prior to the Rainwater Capture Act of 2012
residents could only collect rainwater if they
received a permit.
❏ Every Los Angeles resident is now relieved from
this permit requirement, allowing you to collect
rainwater that falls on your property
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Pruneman99
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| crofty wrote: |
| KTPhil wrote: |
| calvinater wrote: |
| Are any of you catching this rain water in barrels or cisterns , so you have water for your vegetable gardens when the drought starts in the spring? |
Cisterns are prohibited in most cities. That should change.
Rain barrels help a bit, more for the pure chlorine-free water than the volume saved.
Replanting for drought-tolerance is the best answer.
Gardens don't take much water if you flood or drip water them. |
❏ Prior to the Rainwater Capture Act of 2012
residents could only collect rainwater if they
received a permit.
❏ Every Los Angeles resident is now relieved from
this permit requirement, allowing you to collect
rainwater that falls on your property |
I think CA has gone back and forth on the rain collection. It was illegal to "steal" rainwater, then not, and at times the water department has given a rebate to offset the cost of the approved barrels.
The powers that be can't decide if it's good or bad to collect rainwater.
I remember reading a article about a farmer that had built a few ponds on his property. The fire department had even used his ponds to dip water with a helicopter to fight fires. After about 15 years, the state came after him for stealing the water from the public watershed. After a long expensive legal battle, he was order to destroy the dams and empty the ponds.
Makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. |
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Bonesberg55
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:19 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| Wouldn't a way around rainwater capture be to let the snow melt on your roof and then capture that? There is snow in northern California. |
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KTPhil 
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Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:23 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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Capture of the small amount recoverable from the typical suburban residence is not significant. It's main use is to flush salts our of potted plants with the "pure" rainwater.
The main recovery can come from capturing runoff from large areas, either natural, or from large paved areas like parking lots. And, of course, more reservoirs with features to allow easy dredging. Very little of this is being done today. Shameful. |
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crofty
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Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:59 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| Pruneman99 wrote: |
| crofty wrote: |
| KTPhil wrote: |
| calvinater wrote: |
| Are any of you catching this rain water in barrels or cisterns , so you have water for your vegetable gardens when the drought starts in the spring? |
Cisterns are prohibited in most cities. That should change.
Rain barrels help a bit, more for the pure chlorine-free water than the volume saved.
Replanting for drought-tolerance is the best answer.
Gardens don't take much water if you flood or drip water them. |
❏ Prior to the Rainwater Capture Act of 2012
residents could only collect rainwater if they
received a permit.
❏ Every Los Angeles resident is now relieved from
this permit requirement, allowing you to collect
rainwater that falls on your property |
I think CA has gone back and forth on the rain collection. It was illegal to "steal" rainwater, then not, and at times the water department has given a rebate to offset the cost of the approved barrels.
The powers that be can't decide if it's good or bad to collect rainwater.
I remember reading a article about a farmer that had built a few ponds on his property. The fire department had even used his ponds to dip water with a helicopter to fight fires. After about 15 years, the state came after him for stealing the water from the public watershed. After a long expensive legal battle, he was order to destroy the dams and empty the ponds.
Makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. |
That would take a lot of rain and years to fill a pond with just rainwater. I wonder if he filled it with groundwater?
Thats californias biggest issue is old water rights and unregulated farmers pumping groundwater to grow export crops.
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crofty
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:00 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| Bonesberg55 wrote: |
| Wouldn't a way around rainwater capture be to let the snow melt on your roof and then capture that? There is snow in northern California. |
Thats used to water lawns in the desert of SoCal.
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calvinater
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:40 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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why would you want a lawn in the desert?
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Xevin
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:49 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| why would you want a lawn in the desert? |
To play golf during the winter months. Apparently that’s a priority for many people 
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Pruneman99
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:56 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| crofty wrote: |
| Pruneman99 wrote: |
| crofty wrote: |
| KTPhil wrote: |
| calvinater wrote: |
| Are any of you catching this rain water in barrels or cisterns , so you have water for your vegetable gardens when the drought starts in the spring? |
Cisterns are prohibited in most cities. That should change.
Rain barrels help a bit, more for the pure chlorine-free water than the volume saved.
Replanting for drought-tolerance is the best answer.
Gardens don't take much water if you flood or drip water them. |
❏ Prior to the Rainwater Capture Act of 2012
residents could only collect rainwater if they
received a permit.
❏ Every Los Angeles resident is now relieved from
this permit requirement, allowing you to collect
rainwater that falls on your property |
I think CA has gone back and forth on the rain collection. It was illegal to "steal" rainwater, then not, and at times the water department has given a rebate to offset the cost of the approved barrels.
The powers that be can't decide if it's good or bad to collect rainwater.
I remember reading a article about a farmer that had built a few ponds on his property. The fire department had even used his ponds to dip water with a helicopter to fight fires. After about 15 years, the state came after him for stealing the water from the public watershed. After a long expensive legal battle, he was order to destroy the dams and empty the ponds.
Makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. |
That would take a lot of rain and years to fill a pond with just rainwater. I wonder if he filled it with groundwater?
Thats californias biggest issue is old water rights and unregulated farmers pumping groundwater to grow export crops. |
I believe they were situated on a natural watershed. I don't remember where exactly this was, but northern California gets ample rain with streams and rivers that flow year-round. Most of our water in SoCal is brought down from NorCal, and the Colorado. |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:02 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| calvinater wrote: |
| why would you want a lawn in the desert? |
For many who migrated to the west from the midwest, California seemed like "endless summer" where the lawn that grew so naturally but only lasted for spring and summer in the old home, could be enjoyed year 'round.
For a time, we had abundant water (and power), so this seemed possible. But it was an illusion. It never belonged here, and it will go away, just not fast enough! |
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Abscate
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: California rains |
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Thats californias biggest issue is old water rights and unregulated farmers corporations pumping groundwater to grow export crops
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FTFY
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crofty
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:05 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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Thats californias biggest issue is old water rights and unregulated farmers corporations pumping groundwater to grow export crops
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Nope. They are both the problem but there weren't corporate farmers in the central valley in the late 1800's when water rights were first awarded.
There are a plenty of great books out there outlining the situation: Cadillac Desert and The King of California to name a few.
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Abscate
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:45 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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Bad day on top of Mount Washington , -47F
They reported the wind chill as -108 but that isn’t right. You don’t get any more boundary layer above 40 mph wind and roughly -40F
At some point, it’s just too cold.
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madmike
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:04 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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I worked in Them same temps ,for one 1/2 day we called it quits  -47* 3* here yesterday , tropical (8 this morning  Cheers,Mike
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LAGrunthaner
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:38 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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Yes I was following Mt Washington, NH observatory -100 degrees yesterday on the news. So glad I saw that being we were going to look at property in NH for retirement down the road. Now NH is out of the question yes I understand the location of the observatory vs all of NH. I still prefer the west preferably my native California, time will tell it’s a big country.
Cool info on NH -100 degrees wind chill here from yesterday. I wonder what it will reach today.
https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/mt-washington-cold-surge-wind-temperature
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Bad day on top of Mount Washington , -47F
They reported the wind chill as -108 but that isn’t right. You don’t get any more boundary layer above 40 mph wind and roughly -40F
At some point, it’s just too cold. |
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Jon Schmid
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:39 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Yes I was following Mt Washington, NH observatory -100 degrees yesterday on the news. So glad I saw that being we were going to look at property in NH for retirement down the road. Now NH is out of the question yes I understand the location of the observatory vs all of NH. I still prefer the west preferably my native California, time will tell it’s a big country.
Cool info on NH -100 degrees wind chill here from yesterday. I wonder what it will reach today.
https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/mt-washington-cold-surge-wind-temperature
| Abscate wrote: |
Bad day on top of Mount Washington , -47F
They reported the wind chill as -108 but that isn’t right. You don’t get any more boundary layer above 40 mph wind and roughly -40F
At some point, it’s just too cold. |
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Stay in SoCal. The north is too cold and the south has hurricanes, tornadoes, and humidity. We have earthquakes once maybe every 100 years. |
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LAGrunthaner
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:21 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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Jon, how far south in CA and is any of CA affordable anymore?
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| LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Yes I was following Mt Washington, NH observatory -100 degrees yesterday on the news. So glad I saw that being we were going to look at property in NH for retirement down the road. Now NH is out of the question yes I understand the location of the observatory vs all of NH. I still prefer the west preferably my native California, time will tell it’s a big country.
Cool info on NH -100 degrees wind chill here from yesterday. I wonder what it will reach today.
https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/mt-washington-cold-surge-wind-temperature
| Abscate wrote: |
Bad day on top of Mount Washington , -47F
They reported the wind chill as -108 but that isn’t right. You don’t get any more boundary layer above 40 mph wind and roughly -40F
At some point, it’s just too cold. |
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Stay in SoCal. The north is too cold and the south has hurricanes, tornadoes, and humidity. We have earthquakes once maybe every 100 years. |
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| Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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Mickey bitsko
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:24 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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California has earthquakes every 100 years.. I thought they were
More frequent.. I learn something new everyday. |
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crofty
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:32 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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| Mickey bitsko wrote: |
California has earthquakes every 100 years.. I thought they were
More frequent.. I learn something new everyday. |
You are correct. A quick trip over to the USGS site will confirm that.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:47 am Post subject: Re: California rains |
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BIG ones every 100-150 years, yes.
But damaging ones every 20-30.
And we are over due for both!
Today's headlines from Turkey/Syria are a preview of our future... |
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