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wrxnofx Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2022 Posts: 225 Location: Richfield, MN
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:59 pm Post subject: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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In refurbing the rear drums on my '77, the star wheel adjusters were seized solid in their bores.
I beat the piss out of one of the adjusters with a punch for probably 20 minutes and never got it to move. Then it dawned on me to use leverage.
I found that a CV axle bolt from my 911 is the same thread/pitch as the adjuster that threads into the star wheel.
An impact wrench and literally 5 seconds and each one came out. Essentially you're forcing the star wheel out as the bolt bottoms out and keeps turning. Very similar to what a lot of you guys use to get the brass spacer out for the starter shaft.
Maybe this was common knowledge, but it helped me tremendously. I thought maybe it might help someone else on here in the future. _________________ 1977 VW Type 2 Bay Window Westy FI |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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next time put some penetrating oil on it, go have lunch and when you come back it will come out a lot easier. WD40 is not penetrating oil BTW. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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75 Westy FI noob Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2022 Posts: 330 Location: MidWest
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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very clever! thanks for sharing this. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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75 Westy FI noob wrote: |
very clever! thanks for sharing this. |
Basically red rust is a molecule larger then the steel it changes so it swells up and jams things. It also increases friction. Black rust is a FE O2 reaction too but it is a smaller molecule. True penetrating oil - PB Blaster, Liquid Wrench etc., have chemicals in them that change the red rust (large molecule) to black rust (small molecule) and lubricates to reduce friction at the same time. That helps free things up. I broke an exhaust stud one night and the other 3 did not want to budge on a sports car I had. A machinist I knew said use some penetrating oil overnight. So I tried, what was left of the one that snapped unscrewed with my fingers, and the nuts on the other three became very easy to remove. I keep a can around always now because of it. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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I've used lots of different brands of penetrating oil. Kroil penetrating oil is hands down the best I've used. As Steve stated, apply it, have lunch and it will do wonders in loosening up rusted parts. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76949 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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Krol and Gibbs works best.
Oh.. and HEAT. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50353
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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Using an appropriate high temperature grease during assembly helps a lot. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22671 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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28 seconds of propane would have saved you 28 minutes of tool noise _________________ .ssS! |
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wrxnofx Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2022 Posts: 225 Location: Richfield, MN
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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LOL, no good deed here... _________________ 1977 VW Type 2 Bay Window Westy FI |
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germansupplyscott Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2004 Posts: 7094 Location: toronto
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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wrxnofx wrote: |
LOL, no good deed here... |
Your tip is excellent and has been used by me many times. Takes seconds to get frozen adjusters free, oil or no. _________________ SL |
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HoboBus Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2016 Posts: 347 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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It's a good deed, man, dont sweat it. I did it that way also.
I never knew the bit about large rust molecules vs small rust molecules, so your post added value. I'll have to look that one up.
Thanks,
Hobo _________________ Salt air it ain't thin, it'll stick right to your skin,
it'll make you feel fine. Makes you feel fine.
And I wanna be there. -- Jimmy Buffett
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Bonesberg55 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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Good idea but doesn't work when the shoes are locked against the drum as they were on my '78 Bay Window. I ended up breaking off as much of the star wheel as I could with cold chisels and then drilling thru the exposed adjuster stud. No amount of penetrating oil worked. Needless to say I had to replace both backing plates as well as the adjuster studs & star wheels. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22671 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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Heat took this crap off, with hand tools. It’s the magic of thermo…..
_________________ .ssS! |
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wrxnofx Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2022 Posts: 225 Location: Richfield, MN
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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Abscate wrote: |
Heat took this crap off, with hand tools. It’s the magic of thermo…..
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Okay, can you guys educate me on using heat? I've had very little luck in the past using it, if ever.
I do not have an oxyacetylene torch, unfortunately.
I have a MAPP gas torch (I was told this is hotter than the blue propane bottle), so have used this on multiple occasions with no success.
I can literally hold the flame on a bolt head for 3 minutes and sure, the penetrating oil will smoke like crazy and the bolt head might actually turn cherry red, but the seized part of the bolt down in the bore doesn't get hot enough. In fact, I had tried using heat on one of these star wheel adjusters. That didn't work so I beat on it. When that didn't work I had to think of a better way.
I have even debated about getting an induction heater.
I'm clearly doing something wrong, so what's the secret? _________________ 1977 VW Type 2 Bay Window Westy FI |
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1197 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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I was taught to heat the metal housing/nut that the bolt threads into, not the bolt itself. This causes the metal to expand around the bolt while the bolt stays relatively cool or doesn't expand as much as the housing it threads into creating a small gap for penetrating lube to get into and in most cases, lessening/freeing up the seized areas so that the bolt will free up instead of breaking.
So for the star adjusters, I would heat the housing that they sit in and then spray penetrating lube in then heat again and spray and then try to free up the star adjusters. Using high-torque leverage like a bolt threaded in and pushing from the bottom of the star adjuster on the housing cup would work better than using pliers or vice grips on the exterior of the star adjuster. _________________ *******************************
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3582 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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Abscate wrote: |
Heat took this crap off, with hand tools. It’s the magic of thermo…..
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Good GOD, you ARE the Rust Belt.... not just living in it...... _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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Bonesberg55 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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Another plus for Chicago! It just keeps getting better. |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Tip for Removing Seized Rear Brake Star Wheel Adjusters |
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jlrftype7 wrote: |
Abscate wrote: |
Heat took this crap off, with hand tools. It’s the magic of thermo…..
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Good GOD, you ARE the Rust Belt.... not just living in it...... |
Right?!
That there is the real deal rot/rust from salt. The rest of the car must look a bit concerning as well... _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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