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Phil Cycle Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: MI
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:07 pm Post subject: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Hello,
I provided pics of my 1.6 diesel engine to a local shop in order to inquire about an engine swap for obvious need of highway speeds. They replied with, "the engine you have is a great one!" and suggested a turbo and a better geared transmission. I have a contact and already a shop thinking about the trans, however, I don't know how to source a turbo. I realize you can't just get a turbo and there is some fabricating involved but any leads on a turbo kit would be appreciated.
Any feedback on whether this 1983 Westy diesel engine is "great" or not is also appreciated.
Thanks!
Engine code CS Current trans code: DX
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outcaststudios Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2015 Posts: 1732 Location: Maine
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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there are more qualified people to answer this, but you can get a k turbo fairly easily. youll also need the manifold, the oil cooling lines, the exhaust manifold and lots of other little odds and ends, but this isnt some crazy thing to track down! easy enough to source. _________________ '88Doka JX td
'69 westy
(rip)couple bugs
(rip)three type III"s
(rip) '81 vanagon
a bunch of french stuff,and 9 motorcycles.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2573791 |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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IIRC the member ndorian has a thread all about adding a turbo to a non-turbo 1.6. |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9923 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Your 83 came with a rare DX 5 speed with reasonable top gearing but the shop may think you have one of the diesel 4 speeds that rev too high for a more powerful engine in the VW diesel family.
You could bolt a turbo on the existing engine and get a pretty good power bump. I'm not aware of any kit that covers everything needed for a Vanagon and there are issues to solve.
Mark
Phil Cycle wrote: |
Hello,
I provided pics of my 1.6 diesel engine to a local shop in order to inquire about an engine swap for obvious need of highway speeds. They replied with, "the engine you have is a great one!" and suggested a turbo and a better geared transmission. I have a contact and already a shop thinking about the trans, however, I don't know how to source a turbo. I realize you can't just get a turbo and there is some fabricating involved but any leads on a turbo kit would be appreciated.
Any feedback on whether this 1983 Westy diesel engine is "great" or not is also appreciated.
Thanks!
Engine code CS Current trans code: DX
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Phil Cycle Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: MI
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Thank you all for the advice! |
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AndyBees Samba Member
Joined: January 31, 2008 Posts: 2328 Location: Southeast Kentucky
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Good advice thus far, but you need to do a lot of research.
Find the guy Waldo referenced and see what he did.
The DX transmission as mentioned by Crazyvwman is geared tall compared to the 4-speed diesels and with stock size tires, should push the vanagon along at about 65 MPH at 3600 RPMs. That's in the ball park of okay for the 1.6 engine. However, for comparison, that's spinning unnecessarily too fast for a 1.9 TDI engine. The 1.9 fairs much better around 2800-2900 RPMs at 65 mph. _________________ '84 Vanagon Tin-top, ALH TDI. 1989 Tin-top
1983 Air-cool, 225k miles, 180k miles mine. Seven trips to Alaska from 1986 thru 2003. |
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Phil Cycle Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: MI
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Tires are stock. It does about 57 on a flat road with performance intake air filter and screw adjusted for the fuel/ air mixture, "blowing coal." I mean, maybe I didn't wind it out in 4th but I'm pretty sure I did because I was trying to see what it would do. |
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2753 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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The trans you want is the AAS 5speed. It's for the 1.6TD and has a 4.83 ring. The DX is better than the 4speed, but is still too tall. I have an AAS in front of my 1.9 gas engine and love it!
Hans _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
'84 sunroof vanagon
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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I think that a stock DX with 27" rear tires is fairly ideal for a 1.6TD. The DX is a little shorter gearing than the AAS but allows 70MPH @ 3750 which is as tall as I would want with a 1.6TD. The AAS would only drop the rpms in top gear by 150 @ 70MPH.
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RolandD Samba Member
Joined: January 15, 2017 Posts: 247 Location: Menomonee Falls, Wis
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Make sure you add oil sprayers for the pistons if you do not have them.
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Keep the fueling/EGTs reasonable and the piston cooling oil jets are not needed. You also can't exactly add them easily. Complete disassembly of the engine would be required along with custom machining of the crankcase! |
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outcaststudios Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2015 Posts: 1732 Location: Maine
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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there is also an auxiliary water pump and cooling system with a sensor that runs off a relay in the engine compartment you will need, all available. _________________ '88Doka JX td
'69 westy
(rip)couple bugs
(rip)three type III"s
(rip) '81 vanagon
a bunch of french stuff,and 9 motorcycles.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2573791 |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Aux water pump and sensor are also not needed. |
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outcaststudios Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2015 Posts: 1732 Location: Maine
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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?Waldo? wrote: |
Aux water pump and sensor are also not needed. |
why did vw use them on the 1.6td's? _________________ '88Doka JX td
'69 westy
(rip)couple bugs
(rip)three type III"s
(rip) '81 vanagon
a bunch of french stuff,and 9 motorcycles.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2573791 |
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Phil Cycle Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: MI
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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I messaged ndorian who had the turbo thread before about where to buy the turbo kit and components but have not heard back. I will let my transmission guy know about what trans is preferred (he should already know.)
Thanks again! |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16503 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Gnarlodious Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2013 Posts: 2320 Location: Adobe Jungle USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Wouldn't recommend it. A turbo on that engine is going to see increased wear and shorter lifespan due to the engine not being made for a turbo. You are going to need extensive intake and exhaust modificatons for an engine that may not have much mojo left in it. When it does wear out you should be prepared to put in a bigger engine but those parts may not be compatible unless you already planned ahead. Even if you do it, you will have a suboptimal engine and wish you went more robust.
The only exception is if you are going to be driving at high elevation, in that case the turbo can make it seem like sea level. _________________ Vanagon ’83 diesel AAZ w/Giles injection, 5spd 4.57R&P+TBD and a '78 diesel Rabbit |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6349 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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outcaststudios wrote: |
?Waldo? wrote: |
Aux water pump and sensor are also not needed. |
why did vw use them on the 1.6td's? |
On the JX, not all 1.6TD.
I believe it's to cool down the engine when off, bc they work harder in a T3, hell, the Syncro even had a blower on the turbo . If you don't race and shut down the engine, you'll be more than fine. Most of these pumps don't even work anymore, with people not even knowing it....
The 1.6 TD RA and SB engines on Golf 2 had a watercooled turbo. _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget
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Phil Cycle Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: MI
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:44 am Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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Gnarlodious wrote: |
Wouldn't recommend it. A turbo on that engine is going to see increased wear and shorter lifespan due to the engine not being made for a turbo. You are going to need extensive intake and exhaust modificatons for an engine that may not have much mojo left in it. When it does wear out you should be prepared to put in a bigger engine but those parts may not be compatible unless you already planned ahead. Even if you do it, you will have a suboptimal engine and wish you went more robust.
The only exception is if you are going to be driving at high elevation, in that case the turbo can make it seem like sea level. |
Yeah, that's part of the question after I inquired with Munk's Motors-- a vintage repair shop with VW exp-- about an engine swap. I questioned their saying the 1.6 is a "great" motor. Thanks |
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outcaststudios Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2015 Posts: 1732 Location: Maine
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:26 am Post subject: Re: turbo kits for 1.6 diesel |
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ALIKA T3 wrote: |
outcaststudios wrote: |
?Waldo? wrote: |
Aux water pump and sensor are also not needed. |
why did vw use them on the 1.6td's? |
On the JX, not all 1.6TD.
I believe it's to cool down the engine when off, bc they work harder in a T3, hell, the Syncro even had a blower on the turbo . If you don't race a shut down the engine, you'll be more than fine. Most of these pumps don't even work anymore, with people not even knowing it....
The 1.6 TD RA and SB engines on Golf 2 had a watercooled turbo. |
hah yeah mine wasnt working either! i figured that out becasue after shut off it would boil a bit. seems like it couldnt hurt to put it on though? better too cold than too hot. _________________ '88Doka JX td
'69 westy
(rip)couple bugs
(rip)three type III"s
(rip) '81 vanagon
a bunch of french stuff,and 9 motorcycles.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2573791 |
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