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LowThrum Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2022 Posts: 50 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:06 pm Post subject: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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Hi All, as usual from me, a newbie question.
My '72 Squareback was lowered in the front when I bought it. I'm told it was lowered 2 splines, not sure if its inner or outer.
Anyways, when I go over any bumps whatsoever the car is producing a very loud and solid-sounding banging noise. So I guess my question is, what is the lowest part of the car in the front that is making contact?
I'm hesitant to drive it much until I know I'm not doing serious damage. I'm not mechanically inclined so I would need someone to do the work of raising the front end. Or is there a way to tighten up the front end so it doesn't bounce so much? |
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squaretobehip Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 3686 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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There's not too much to it when it comes to raising, or lowering these. There are lots of helpful threads on here, and a couple videos on YouTube.
As for what's hitting, it's your lower beam mount. If you look underneath the front, you'll see your beam with two brackets holding it on. The lower part of that bracket and mount, are what's hitting. You'll probably see some scrape marks on it if you've really hit it good.
Take a couple pics, post them up, and we can help you out.
If you're gonna own one of these, you're gonna have to get a little mechanically inclined. Thankfully, there's lots of folks here to help you. _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
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Yabbadubbadoo Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2012 Posts: 914
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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If you still have bump stops the rubber stopper is probably gone and your lower arms are likely smacking the metal bump stop mounts. This could explain a loud metallic thud on every bump. Some people cut them off or you can raise the suspension and look into getting drop spindles if you want to lower it a better way. The bump stop was put in for a reason so I'm not recommending cutting them off, just saying that's what some folk do to stop the thud.
Note: There's other things that could be going on but what I explained is the most likely.
Would warrant a thorough inspection of the front beam for roadworthy.
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vbrad26 Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2021 Posts: 62 Location: FL
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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Lowest part possible making contact with the ground? The tow hook...if it is still there.
Otherwise yeah may be bump-stops. |
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LowThrum Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2022 Posts: 50 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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Thanks for the info! My Bentley manual is on the way, when it arrives and the weather warms up, I'll go outside and actually inspect. Your responses give me a great place to start, its appreciated. |
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vbrad26 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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LowThrum wrote: |
Thanks for the info! My Bentley manual is on the way, when it arrives and the weather warms up, I'll go outside and actually inspect. Your responses give me a great place to start, its appreciated. |
Front tow hook is on the passenger side of the beam.
If it is there, you should be able to see it no problem.
Mine is cut out, as well as the bump stop mounts that Yabbaduddadoo pictured.
So when I do scrape/bottom out, it is the brackets that squaretobehip mentioned. |
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LowThrum Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2022 Posts: 50 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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squaretobehip wrote: |
If you're gonna own one of these, you're gonna have to get a little mechanically inclined. Thankfully, there's lots of folks here to help you. |
yep, agree...I'm working on learning, its asking questions like this that help educate me! |
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squaretobehip Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 3686 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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Ah yes, I cut my bump stops off, and my car was earlier so I did not have a tow hook at that time...so check those as mentioned! _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22410 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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Yup, those are the first things to check. After that, make sure you're not bottoming out the shocks. You don't hear about that very often, unless you're more than 3 splines down though (with stock shocks, and cut off bump stops). _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17968 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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The torsion bars get loose and have to be tightened periodically.
If you don't have and scraping marks underneath than it's probably torsion bars rattling? _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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Mike Fisher wrote: |
The torsion bars get loose and have to be tightened periodically.
If you don't have and scraping marks underneath than it's probably torsion bars rattling? |
Usually it's the upper bar that gets loose, because the PO didn't adjust it. Of course the car doesn't have to be lowered for that bar to come loose, just a lack of adjustment (called out in Bentley). If the car is wandering on the road, or you get a vibration at 50+ you might want to check the right upper arm for adjustment. Keep in mind that if it's been out of adjustment for some time, it might take several adjustments for it to tighten up correctly. Also check the left side, as you might be pulling the bar out of the arm too. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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LowThrum Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2022 Posts: 50 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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Update: its def the towhook that's hitting the ground. Just minor scrapes on it, its not even bent. But I still need to raise this thing back up and maybe lower it in the future with some drop spindles or something. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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Pics showing the stance and condition of shocks and bump stocks would help us advise your next step. |
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LowThrum Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Lowered, What's Hitting The Ground? |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Pics showing the stance and condition of shocks and bump stocks would help us advise your next step. |
I will see what I can do. Shocks are brand-new, just purchased from a local VW air-cooled parts shop and installed. I have never jacked my car up before, that's how inexperienced I am LOL But I'll give it a try and see if I can identify the bump stops. |
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