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borna428 Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 356 Location: FL
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:58 pm Post subject: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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Hi all,
I just finished rebuilding my 66 VW beetle engine with new piston/cylinder, valves, cam, crankshaft, lifters and etc.
Now I need to start it for the first time and decided to use Valvoline VRT 10W30 with high ZINC.
But my main question is I was told to run the engine for 20 mins and then change the oil.
Is there a truth to that? I hate to waste $40 of oil for only 20 mins of run.
What have you guys done?
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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You can "waste" $40 of oil, or $2,000 of engine. Whatever you'd like.
Use it in your lawnmower, or to lubricate squeaky hinges. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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Dump it... it's contaminated from the cam breakin.
$40... it's cheaper than having to rebuild it again.
BTW.. i also change my oil at 200, 500, 1000 and then 3000 on a new engine.
One more thing... dump the POS 009 distributor and get one that is matched to the carb you have. Your engine will e much happier. _________________ Glenn
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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I've also changed the oil 2-3 times before 500 miles after a rebuild. I also agree it's painful to do this now with oil companies ripping us off with their high prices per quart of oil. With that said, l agree with the other posters that it's still cheaper than rebuilding the engine again. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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borna428 Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 356 Location: FL
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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Glenn wrote: |
Dump it... it's contaminated from the cam breakin.
$40... it's cheaper than having to rebuild it again.
BTW.. i also change my oil at 200, 500, 1000 and then 3000 on a new engine.
One more thing... dump the POS 009 distributor and get one that is matched to the carb you have. Your engine will e much happier. |
Thanks for the info. This is my first engine that I rebuilt. Took me 6 months. Also never had a VW before and never drove one. So with that said not sure what is 900 distributor? The carburetor is Solex pic 30-1, so what kind distributor I should get? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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borna428 wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
Dump it... it's contaminated from the cam breakin.
$40... it's cheaper than having to rebuild it again.
BTW.. i also change my oil at 200, 500, 1000 and then 3000 on a new engine.
One more thing... dump the POS 009 distributor and get one that is matched to the carb you have. Your engine will e much happier. |
Thanks for the info. This is my first engine that I rebuilt. Took me 6 months. Also never had a VW before and never drove one. So with that said not sure what is 900 distributor? The carburetor is Solex pic 30-1, so what kind distributor I should get? |
You want a 205K, which is what the factory matched to that carb.
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wdfifteen Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2019 Posts: 529 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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I use the cheapest straight 30 wt oil I can get for "break in" oil. That first 100 miles is just flushing out the crap you didn't get out when you cleaned it and the metal from the parts wearing into each other. I use progressively better (more expensive) oil as I get hours on the engine and make sure it has ZPDD (zink) in it after the first flush. |
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borna428 Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 356 Location: FL
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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wdfifteen wrote: |
I use the cheapest straight 30 wt oil I can get for "break in" oil. That first 100 miles is just flushing out the crap you didn't get out when you cleaned it and the metal from the parts wearing into each other. I use progressively better (more expensive) oil as I get hours on the engine and make sure it has ZPDD (zink) in it after the first flush. |
Do I need oil with Zinc during the first 20 mins? |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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IMO zinc is MOST important during break-in. Everyone has their favorite flavor.
That engine looks really nice. Don't skimp out now. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't new VWs have a paid/included oil change by the dealer at 600 miles.
Anyway, I built the 1835cc engine in my 1971 Convertible (since 1986) and the 1600cc engine in my 1970 sedan (since 2017), and I didn't change the oil in either until 600 miles, used the VW criteria. Both do have a CB Maxi2 oil pump/filter however. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24764 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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Fix the rear engine tin on the left side where it is bent down and get the rubber grommet in the hole the preheat tube passes thru. Grommet keeps the hose from getting cut thru by the tin.
Definitely get the vacuum advance distributor that will work with your carb and engine size. Makes a big difference for around town driving over the 009. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9653 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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to run the engine for 20 mins |
How you run the engine in those 20 minutes is critical for successful camshaft and lifter surface break-in. You don't just start the engine, then let it idle for 20 min. As soon as the engine starts, bring it up to about 2000 rpm and leave it there. What you are doing with that higher rpm is work-hardening the cam lobes and lifters. Here's a good procedure for your break-in: https://www.aircooled.net/vw-engine-break-in-procedure/ |
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diablosandwich Samba Member
Joined: January 15, 2012 Posts: 471 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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Dump it for sure. I built a 1300 for my 66 last year and changed oil after breaking in the cam/lifters. I could see metal in the oil.
Casey _________________ 1966 Java Greens |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9771 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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This time around. I'll be using this for breakin oil.
After 20 minutes run time. It'll get dumped and refreshed with another container full.
Breaking time is 20 minutes over 2k RPM. Very the throttle opening a little.< That's what I do! YMMV _________________ I have learned over the years.
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borna428 Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 356 Location: FL
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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wdfifteen wrote: |
I use the cheapest straight 30 wt oil I can get for "break in" oil. That first 100 miles is just flushing out the crap you didn't get out when you cleaned it and the metal from the parts wearing into each other. I use progressively better (more expensive) oil as I get hours on the engine and make sure it has ZPDD (zink) in it after the first flush. |
Do I need oil with Zinc during the first 20 mins? |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9771 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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borna428 wrote: |
wdfifteen wrote: |
I use the cheapest straight 30 wt oil I can get for "break in" oil. That first 100 miles is just flushing out the crap you didn't get out when you cleaned it and the metal from the parts wearing into each other. I use progressively better (more expensive) oil as I get hours on the engine and make sure it has ZPDD (zink) in it after the first flush. |
Do I need oil with Zinc during the first 20 mins? |
YES!
The ZDDP (Zink) protects the cam and tappets from damage during the breakin process. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Teeroy Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2003 Posts: 3685 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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Lucas makes a additive you can put in some cheap oil. Or just use their break in oil 67rustavenger just showed, it cost less than the VR1 lately. Brad Penn has a good break in oil too, but it can be hard to find and isn't cheap either _________________ Pres. Rivercity VW Club www.rcvwclub.org
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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I still have a few bottles of the original GM EOS, but they will be gone soon. _________________ Glenn
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Teeroy Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2003 Posts: 3685 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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I might still have a bottle as well. _________________ Pres. Rivercity VW Club www.rcvwclub.org
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: changing the motor oil after 20 mins of run |
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That's a nice looking engine. It looks like you took a lot of time and care with it. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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