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canaris
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 Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:40 pm Post subject: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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Currently working on restoring my westy 1979 Berlin .
Don’t know whether it’s Berlin or Helsinki type.
Any remarks or observations would be helpful cos I am not really an expert on those westfalias
Here r some photos 👇
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canaris
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. |
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More photos
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metahacker
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Is Berlin or Helsinki ? |
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Helsinki has a full width bed/bench... sideways additional storage seat ... and the amazing closet/sink/fridge cabinet configuration with the fold down cooker into the aisleway
Berlin looks as you pictured... in the closet area, at least.. favorite of US bus people... similar to most Vanagon Westfalia poptops |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Is Berlin or Helsinki ? |
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You have a Berlin model.
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canaris
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:50 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Is Berlin or Helsinki ? |
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| Any other remarks or observations of not correct details to be corrected in restoration ? |
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metahacker
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Is Berlin or Helsinki ? |
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| For that sort of advice, you're going to need post much better pictures than that... |
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canaris
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Is Berlin or Helsinki ? |
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| metahacker wrote: |
| For that sort of advice, you're going to need post much better pictures than that... |
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rsbadura
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canaris
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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| rsbadura wrote: |
Hello,
looks like a lot of work...
the mirrors outside are not original as well as the side steps 
The front box with the spare wheel and offset bumper are original - the white intake grill color not.
The sliding door bracket should be silver not orange (there were also earlier rare chrome versions). The back rear locks are original black plastic, not the earlier chrome versions (but I've mounted also the nicer chrome versions at mine).
I'M irritated about the grey/white kick panels below the dashboard - I knew only black ones.
The electric intake and heat outlet for the gas ice box are original.
There is a lot of stuff - better ask step by step...
It's an European style Westfalia - don't compare it to the US versions, that are different and also called different as e.g. "P-27" and not "Berlin".
Brochures with original pics could be found at theSamba Archives or at my website:
https://www.vw-t2-bulli.de/de-books-brochures-vw-camper.html
https://www.vw-t2-bulli.de/de-books-brochures-westfalia.html
https://www.vw-t2-bulli.de/de-books-documents-camperequipment.html
A lot of photos of my original Berlin furniture parts (it is not an complete original Westfalia car!):
https://www.vw-t2-bulli.de/de-westfalia-berlin.html
regards, from Berlin |
My dear friend
Thanks a million
That is the kind of comments / remarks I am looking for.
Regarding the grill , can I get it from cip1? |
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canaris
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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| rsbadura wrote: |
Hello,
looks like a lot of work...
the mirrors outside are not original as well as the side steps
The front box with the spare wheel and offset bumper are original - the white intake grill color not.
The sliding door bracket should be silver not orange (there were also earlier rare chrome versions). The back rear locks are original black plastic, not the earlier chrome versions (but I've mounted also the nicer chrome versions at mine).
I'M irritated about the grey/white kick panels below the dashboard - I knew only black ones.
The electric intake and heat outlet for the gas ice box are original.
There is a lot of stuff - better ask step by step...
It's an European style Westfalia - don't compare it to the US versions, that are different and also called different as e.g. "P-27" and not "Berlin".
Brochures with original pics could be found at theSamba Archives or at my website:
https://www.vw-t2-bulli.de/de-books-brochures-vw-camper.html
https://www.vw-t2-bulli.de/de-books-brochures-westfalia.html
https://www.vw-t2-bulli.de/de-books-documents-camperequipment.html
A lot of photos of my original Berlin furniture parts (it is not an complete original Westfalia car!):
https://www.vw-t2-bulli.de/de-westfalia-berlin.html
regards, from Berlin |
Dear Rolf
Y do u think the grill is not original ?
How does original one look like ?
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babysnakes
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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| The grill is correct. It is suppose to match the body color. |
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canaris
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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| babysnakes wrote: |
| The grill is correct. It is suppose to match the body color. |
Thanks
So it has to be the same orange color like car, correct ? |
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rsbadura
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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| canaris wrote: |
| So it has to be the same orange color like car, correct ? |
Yes - and behind it the black plastic grid VW #211259165A (available as reproduction) against insects in the fresh air is missing (I see the open flaps behind the inlets - normally more hidden by this plastic grid).
Tank cap is also not original (reproduction are available with lock, VW #211201551R).
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canaris
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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Would this Vw emblem fit on my spare part box like in pic. Did that box have a Vw emblem on it.
https://www2.cip1.com/c16-211-601e/
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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The screen is the correct one for that bus, the emblem should work, but you'll need the clips to mount it as well, odd that the logo isn't molded right into the box like I have seen on others....
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rsbadura
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:36 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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| canaris wrote: |
| Would this Vw emblem fit on my spare part box like in pic. |
The Westfalia are made from cheaper Kombis - with less chrome - also the VW sign without in white.
(only the more luxury buses have chrome bumpers and chrome VW sign and chrome trim around all windows like at yours only around the windshield etc.)
But both sign version are made of plastic in the same shape - so many exchanged it by the nicer chrome version with the 3 plastic clips to hold it at the 3 holes.
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canaris
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| The screen is the correct one for that bus, the emblem should work, but you'll need the clips to mount it as well, odd that the logo isn't molded right into the box like I have seen on others.... |
Here we r
Some photos in the process of restoration
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canaris
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia Berlin 1979 restoration. Need help from experts. |
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Working on rust parts and process going on
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