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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22462 Location: Escondido CA
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Now you need a matching battery access door! _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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jtauxe wrote: |
Now you need a matching battery access door! |
I'll just have to tell myself that you don't have to pull the Fi stuff and firewall door to access the battery.
Otherwise.... _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Seasurfnbird Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2020 Posts: 28 Location: Pescadero, CA
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:20 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Damn those POs! Watching this topic first hand, but you know I'll be addressing similar issues in my 66 EZ at some point. But first I need to finish the 1776cc you are helping me rebuild. See you soon!
Those early adventure photos are really cool! _________________ 67' Squareback
66’ EZ Camper
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Clatter wrote: |
jtauxe wrote: |
Now you need a matching battery access door! |
I'll just have to tell myself that you don't have to pull the Fi stuff and firewall door to access the battery.
Otherwise.... |
I'd put it in on an electric lowering track with a manual crank of course, so you can just lower the tray and slide it out. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 7:30 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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WHoo! Coupla big days out there...
Erasing past transgressions:
Me, for thinking i wanted one of those stupid angled black rubber powered antennas.
The dealer, for installing an anemic A/C unit that didn't work for long.
A past bodyshop for not welding up the marker hole very well.
Some careless asshole in a parking lot, for tapping the rear corner.
The wounds of times past.. Cauterized with a welder. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 8:19 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Here's a big/long one for you to skip over...
Learned a lot from this, maybe someone can benefit.
Had what i thought was a pretty tidy receiver hitch setup,
Guy down the street did it for me long ago before i had my own welder.
Found the hitch at the flea market, not sure what car it was for.
While i wanted it to have its own mounts,
My boy just welded it to the bumper brackets.
When you park a bus nose-in to a space in a crowded parking lot.
The swarm of brainless idiots will tag it constantly.
Because modern plastic bumper cars are round,
Dipshits are completely unprepared to miss a vehicle with square corners like a bus.
Especially if the bumper sticks out the sides..
Because i used the bus as a daily, the rear had been tapped literally dozens of times.
Having only the four bumper mount bolts holding the hitch to the body,
It ripped the mounts free.
More on this later..
Newer "chrome" flimsy aftermarket bumper was flame-cut crudely to clear brackets.
The thing did tuck in tightly to the bumper, though.
When it was in place, all you could see was the receiver under there.
The location he got perfect.
I'm going to duplicate this location exactly.
Got some 1/4" wall 4" angle from the local steel place.
New brackets are going to be long enough to pick up all six mount holes.
My little homeowner chop saw struggled to cut this big piece.
After leaning on it for what seemed like an hour and getting nowhere,
devised a special automatic feed.
While the saw ran on its own, was able to multi-task.
Made up a transfer punch of sorts.
This screws into a mount nut/hole so the point -just- sticks out.
Part to be drilled is laid into place over the punch,
Then struck with a hammer to make a dimple.
Dimple is then centerpunched and drilled as normal.
Flats are for installation/removal by a wrench.
Cool trick an old man taught me years ago.
No more moving holes over.
Once cut, laid out the angle, my "new" brackets, and the old setup for some CAD.
(Cardboard Aided Design).
Picked up all six mounting holes,
Clears various motor underpinnings (hopefully),
Trimmed for weight reduction,
But still enough beef left for strength?
CAD templates transferred to angle.
Off to the steel shop for some plasma cutting.
And also to switch out that galvanized square patch piece for some regular.
Don't know how i missed that being galvanized..
Found me an OG heavy German rear bumper and it's being straightened down in LA.
Once it's back up here in bare metal it'll get trimmed to fit my hitch as the hitch is welded together.
Then the bumper will go back down to LA with the front and some other stuff for chrome.
So there you have it (for now).
Thinking this'll be a right proper way to do a hitch.
Some things take a coupla tries.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 9:20 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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To think of all the towing i did with this thing!!
There are six bumper mount nuts welded into the rear of these buses.
We'll call them front, middle and rear..
The bumper mounts to only the middle and rear.
Because my hitch was attached to the bumper,
And the bumper got tagged many times,
The mounts got ripped away from the body.
Rear nuts are free and flopping.
Middle ones are way stretched and about to pop ..!
Driver's side rear nut came out by hand.
Just grabbed it and pulled it off.
No tools required.
Been staring at this whole problem for months (years).
Not really sure what to do.
All these layers of sandwiched sheetmetal...
Crappy birdshit "repair" attempts by my neighbor...
Crying about it didn't help.
Finally just decided to start cutting - peel back the onion.
Cut out the area that looked bent or stretched.
What's not seen is hours of lying on my back using a twisted-knot wheel overhead.
Lots of rubberized undercoating and road grime to dispatch.
Really just a fairly thick bottom plate with another section of sheet for the nut.
Made copies in the right thickness sheet (taken from old a-pillar),
Drilled some holes for plug welding.
Scavenged the nut and zap zap.
Used some weld-thru primer.
Little sheet/nut section goes in first,
Welded to an inner layer.
Only got this far before it was late and Mom was making dinner.
Plus it got windy...
Still need to weld the other side in.
Going to grind, and them hammer flat that inner layer,
So this bottom plate can get plug and perimeter welded.
Not really ready for this piece yet, but you get the jist.
This will all fit tightly.
And, oh, I'm a gonna birtshit and birdshit the birdshit onto that one.
Let me tell you what...
Bumper car mouth breathers bring it!!
Man, it sucks Ev got rid of that 'fist' icon with the middle finger.
Fucking PC woke! _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Cdn17Sport6MT Samba Member
Joined: April 02, 2023 Posts: 74 Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 9:27 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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That's exactly, now, how I plan to do my hitch. Totally 100%, Clatter! I always thought that it'd be smart to pick up the vertically-up bumper bracket mounting holes, as you've done. |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 10:17 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Looking inside the intake vents there’s a bunch of surface rust..
While i think i can get the blaster in there to scour it out,
How to paint in there??
Anybody know a trick?
Was thinking of loading paint into a garden sprayer with a long wand..?
_________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 10:28 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Cdn17Sport6MT wrote: |
That's exactly, now, how I plan to do my hitch. Totally 100%, Clatter! I always thought that it'd be smart to pick up the vertically-up bumper bracket mounting holes, as you've done. |
Ya, there’s six nut holes back there but the bumper only uses four of them.
Can’t help but think they were planning for a hitch.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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orwell84 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2007 Posts: 2539 Location: Plattsburgh, New York
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 5:27 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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The fuel filler access door is a great idea. It’s not an easy job especially if you are doing the bent pipe thing. Luckily I have long Gumby arms.
Your kid is way better at busting out spot welds than me. Klaus must have been drinking on the job when he did the front of my bus.
I have had my bus long enough to go through sheet metal repairs a second time. A good number of them were holding up just fine 20 years later that I redid to look more factory.
I have a section of floor along the long side rocker that I go back and forth on replacing. It’s sturdy, neatly done and hasn’t rusted a bit. It’s obviously not factory. You can’t even see it. Not today. Maybe a dark day in January if I’m bored. |
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Ceckert64 Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2015 Posts: 1963 Location: Manitowoc, WI
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Clatter wrote: |
Looking inside the intake vents there’s a bunch of surface rust..
While i think i can get the blaster in there to scour it out,
How to paint in there??
Anybody know a trick?
Was thinking of loading paint into a garden sprayer with a long wand..?
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Media blasting should work good, also sand paper on a stick for final cleanup works good.
I think a paint brush may be a *good* option, maybe less chance of runs and it’s not a super visible spot. I think I just shot mine in with a paint sprayer. I did the vents first and angled it in so if it did run it was not on the main body, just in the vents. I think you can reach it decent but you have to hold the paint gun agains the body, I think may of had some runs though.
I was more in the boat of “I don’t want rust” but it turned out decent looking at my pictures, but you may want it a little nice than my tractor paint job _________________ 1964 sunroof Beetle Restoration "Herbie"
“Joann” 1970 Elm Green Squareback
1972 Sierra Yellow Tin Top Westfalia Camper
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 8:08 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Glad to see you guys taking the time to follow along.
Going it alone, you start to question yourself.
This was a long miserable day that I'm glad is over.
Both sides all done.
Lesson learned is that there's an inner and an outer D-pillar, all the way down.
Inner (upper) nut plate attaches to inner D-pillar.
Outer/lower under-nut-plate attaches to outer D-pillar (and everything else in this case).
Another lesson re-learned;
Welding and grinding overhead sucks. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 8:19 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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FYI.
OG German bumpers are about .015" thicker than Brazil.
Might not seem like much,
But when you pick them up, the weight difference is very noticeable. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 8:35 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Yesterday was all about getting ready to blast.
Vacuumed out inside closed areas and capped them off.
Hung tarps from the carport rafters to (sort of) contain media.
Blasting is the only way to get to the bottom of little rust pits.
Wire-wheeling falls a bit short but gives blasting a good head start.
Doesn't help that i glued a seal in years ago.
See also how i masked..
Because most of the paint is in good shape, i want to try and save it.
Heavy duct tape protects against sandblast well (and a little bit against the wire wheel).
-BUT-
Make sure to put some yellow or blue tape underneath it first.
Otherwise, you'll have a nightmare removing smeared-on duct tape goo.
A first test shows good results.
Coal slag from Tractor Supply needs screened.
Screen funnel came from Eastwood.
With one little chunk being able to clog the blaster tip,
Saved thousands of hours' frustration by pre-screening.
Battery tray area cleaned up for some weld-thru.
Also doused the tray itself to be sure it's clean.
Going to clean up and do some more welding today, hopefully,
And,
With luck,
Maybe drag out the primer gun?
Hope springs eternal.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 7:55 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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Didn't make it to primer gun yesterday..
Some weld-thru on the tray and it's perimeter,
And rassled it into place.
It's just a little bit big,
Or my bus got tapped back there,
But the thing wanted to fold up before it came home.
Hammer marks will attest to the amount of banging it took to get into place.
Because trying to tap it flat with hammer/dolly made it want to move,
I'd get it sheet-metal-screwed in place where it fit,
Then add more as i got it straightened.
Sheetmetal screws suck things nice and tight for welding.
Had to 'walk' it into place,
but there it is.
I'll drag the welder out when the wind is down.
Man!
A LOT of sand everywhere!
And we're -just- getting started with that part.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 8:23 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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A whole day out there yesterday.
And i was really busy the whole time i swear!
Doesn't look like it.
Battery tray took a long time to get snug and welded.
Have to get the seams tight before zapzap.
Don't hear the term "hammer welding" anymore..
Hammer/weld/hammer/weld.
Love my new finger sander.
Especially for smoothing welds way back in the compartment.
Kept chiseling old glue and paint from seal channels.
Rust hiding way up in there needs flushed out,
But the blaster does a poor job against glue.
Who put that damn glue in there, anyways??
Lastly, since i the welder was out,
Front bumper got some PO PO holes welded up.
Even a PO can have a PO.
Hope i didn't screw that up too bad for the chrome shop.
Also got a sweet new rear bumper from Barry 'skatevw'.
Real German VW, all straightened up.
Stoked on this one.
While it ain't perfect, hopefully the chrome shop has an easy enough time with it.
We'll get it all sweetened up nice so some lady can ram into it at the mall parking lot. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Joined: November 10, 2014 Posts: 599 Location: CA, USA
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 8:29 am Post subject: Re: I'm the PO - Re-Restoring a Restoration |
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nogoodwithusernames wrote: |
Steve, what's the plan for noise dampening since you're not using the Dyna mat anymore? Not admitting to having any in the Squareback but wondering what alternatives there are?
Also you are a sucker for tough fixes. Want me to send the Square down when you're done? It's got some interesting hits from it's past life I'm sure would be loads of joy for you |
HeyHey my man,
Glad to see you following along.
All that's needed to keep a car quiet is stuff like door panels, carpet, headliner.
*Maybe* one small square in the very middle of large flat panels.
Sticking expensive heavy gooey stuff everywhere is just plain stupid.
I'll admit when I'm wrong, and in this case, it was Wrong with a capital "W"..
I'll start ranting again... Must... Not.... Rant....
As for your Square...
Go ahead and strip it down to a bare shell and have it wet-blasted.
Flat-bed it down here and I'll give you a quote! _________________ Bus Motor Build
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