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esde Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:40 am Post subject: 56 vert wheel colors |
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The wheels on my 56 vert are a little beat and are wearing several coats of paint. Over the next week I'm planning to blast and straighten them, replace broken clips, and then get them repainted. This is an early 56 vert, actually late 55 just after the switch from ribbed doors. It was painted Pelican red at Karmann and still has the original paint inside and under the hood, though the outside was resprayed different in the 90's. So my question is, what color/ colors would the wheels have originally been? They have so many coats of paint that it's hard to tell if they were originally two tone or not. What would the original white have been?
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56Cabrio Samba Member

Joined: May 22, 2008 Posts: 2004 Location: San Fernando Valley, CA
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finster Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:08 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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I would have thought they were the same as the ghia wheels - L277 silver beige centre with L41 black rims _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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Rome Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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I saw your cabrio at the central New Jersey "Dubs in the Shrubs" meet in May, and took some photos. I did not realize it was "you" or I'd have tried to find you at the car and introduce myself.
My "Car of the Century" VW reference book by J.T. Garwood does not show a Pelican Red for either an early '55 nor a late '55; not even for a '56. It does show a Cabrio-only color L54 Poppy red for those 2 years. Wheel paint details are outer rim Poppy red, and inner section L87 Pearl White. |
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esde Samba Member

Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 6179 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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Rome wrote: |
I saw your cabrio at the central New Jersey "Dubs in the Shrubs" meet in May, and took some photos. I did not realize it was "you" or I'd have tried to find you at the car and introduce myself.
My "Car of the Century" VW reference book by J.T. Garwood does not show a Pelican Red for either an early '55 nor a late '55; not even for a '56. It does show a Cabrio-only color L54 Poppy red for those 2 years. Wheel paint details are outer rim Poppy red, and inner section L87 Pearl White. |
Yeah, dubs in the shrubs was the first show I made it to with this car, trying to get it sorted for Flanders right now.. you can find me there for sure. Exactly "which red" has been a subject of much speculation.. but I'm fairly certain it's Pelican red. I know of one other late 55 vert that is Pelican Red (Altewagen) , and also, I ordered a spray can of it from Temple Paints (they sell in the classifieds and match many glasurit formulas) and their Pelican is a match. I have been told that vert could be ordered in vert or Ghia colors, as they were getting final paint at Karman coachworks. Won't know for sure till I do a birth certificate but I feel confident. _________________ modok wrote:
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Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8634 Location: PNW
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esde Samba Member

Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 6179 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 5:08 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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Thanks for the help, looks like I'm finding a match for the silver beige and starting with that. I'll have to spend some more time trying to match the red before painting the outer wheel rims.
And, right now the wheels have to much paint to see the date codes, but perhaps when they get stripped I'll have some clues about the original colors, assuming that at least one of the wheels is original to the car. _________________ modok wrote:
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Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8634 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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Rome wrote: |
It does show a Cabrio-only color L54 Poppy red for those 2 years. Wheel paint details are outer rim Poppy red, and inner section L87 Pearl White. |
Probably just another error like many others in that book. This vert is about the 5th Ive seen since Ive been looking and definitely NOT Poppy red. I dont remember if the book mentions the white paint verts that seem to be from 55-57 as well.
The paint in the image is from underneath the trunk lock cast bracket so has never seen weather or sun til I took it off moments before the pic was taken
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esde Samba Member

Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 6179 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 9:51 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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So I decided to test sand a few areas of the wheels to see what was underneath, and I'm finding that at least two of these wheels were probably silver beige centers with black rims. I won't know the date codes on these wheels, which would indicate if they're original or not, till I take them to the blast booth. Everything has been pushed back though, as I ran into a few issues getting a match for silver beige. The formula I had found here don't work as some of the toners and pigments are no longer current, like this one. Ugh
So back to the drawing board, I reached out to Glasurit directly and ordered a small sample of the Silver Beige, and will spray it out to get matched w PPG. I'll just roll the wheels in silver beige while deciding on black or red for the outer rim, as it sounds like both could have been a legitimate possibility. _________________ modok wrote:
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AlteWagen Troll

Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8634 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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While Glasurit has the codes/formulas the few times Ive seen people order it seems not to match. Glacier blue, ultramaroon and almond poly were the colors Ive seen and they looked more like polar silver, sepia silver and gremlin green. Spray outs didnt even come close to color chips or good surviving non faded original paint panels.
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esde Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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AlteWagen wrote: |
While Glasurit has the codes/formulas the few times Ive seen people order it seems not to match. Glacier blue, ultramaroon and almond poly were the colors Ive seen and they looked more like polar silver, sepia silver and gremlin green. Spray outs didnt even come close to color chips or good surviving non faded original paint panels.
This was about 10 years ago, maybe they have improved? I know the price hasnt dropped! |
Yeah, I had a lengthy discussion with a rep about the color being accurate. The difference is because the "new" pigments are safer/ non lead based/ etc, and thus not an exact match. He said if I get hime something to compare, he'll work with it to make it match if the formula isn't exact. Fingers crossed right? _________________ modok wrote:
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AlteWagen Troll

Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8634 Location: PNW
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:17 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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esde wrote: |
verts could be ordered in vert or Ghia colors, as they were getting final paint at Karman coachworks. Won't know for sure till I do a birth certificate but I feel confident. |
I really hope the color is listed for your vert, most SK paints with the exception of 'white' usually are not available.
I will add that I think you could also order Porsche colors as well since Karmann was also contracting 356 at the same time. This vert always had me wondering and I finally found a Porsche color match for the same year
I think its #5602 Polyantha red as in 57 the only red available was Ruby red
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esde Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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AlteWagen wrote: |
found this pic but cant really tell what color they are
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Hard to say, but my eyes aren't great. It is obviously a lighter center and darker rim..
Here's where I am at the moment. I found some tan/beige under the white. You can see it here if you look closely
I'm getting the car ready for a show, but don't have the time to strip all the wheels for a full repaint, but while replacing 10 broken hubcap clips I really beat of the white centers. So I had a rattle can made to match the tan that is showing under the white. He just matched it by eye, and it's pretty close. So I'm just painting the centers to see how I like it.. and will strip them completely down this fall for a real strip and repaint.
New clips from WW installed
Centers in beige, I do like it. The red is whatever rattle can the previous owner matched to the body red.
The trim rings do have some dings and rash
BUT they are stamped 3/55!!!
Here's the final result, thoughts?
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:39 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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Looks good, I did the same on my Ruby red 64 but used Krylon Almond for the center and satin black for the rim. I later found out after prepping one of the wheels same as you that the rim was red with clay beige from the factory. I had already sold the car but still bothered me that I didnt do it as it would have been one of the last colored wheel era cars October 63.
Again, the trim rings just make the early wheels for me and the body colored accent is just a bonus. Are you going to paint the hubcap emblem body color or black? Surprising how wheel detail is so satisfying. _________________ Grapes of Wrath $200 Engine Rebuild
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esde Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert wheel colors |
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So the last owner painted the VW emblems black, and I will leave them black for now. The caps aren't on in the pics as I was banging out a few dings and trying to shine them up. The missing hubcap clips had led to some ejected caps, and dings and dents. It looks pretty good now, I'll get some better pics when it's on the field at Flanders. _________________ modok wrote:
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