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richparker Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:11 am Post subject: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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What is it?
Is it a Deluxe?
Is it a Euro?
Definitely think it’s a Euro.
Now I have 2 Euros….
It has good bones and will be a fun project.
Got all this stuff with the car
My driveway is look good!
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grvwsic Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2004 Posts: 113 Location: SF/Long Beach
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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You've got luck...all that space. I had to give up an early "64 because had no space to work on it. Too many cars - too little time. |
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House Minutia Militia

Joined: June 13, 2001 Posts: 1859
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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richparker wrote: |
What is it?
Is it a Deluxe?
Is it a Euro? |
Looks like a Gulf Blue US deLuxe to me… |
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OldSchoolVW's  Samba Member

Joined: July 03, 2020 Posts: 1177 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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If the front turn signal lenses appear to be original, it would likely be a Euro. U.S. used clear for '63 (and several other years I'm sure).
Looks like a nice foundation! Looking forward to seeing what you do with it.  _________________ Tom
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Apostle_ Samba Member

Joined: July 02, 2023 Posts: 86 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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Persian rug for the back seat, classic!
It's a keeper! |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 78559 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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Looks solid. _________________ Glenn
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7371 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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Thanks guys.
Gulf Blue, I can dig it.
The reasons I say it’s a Euro are:
Fhart/Start column lock, Amber and red tail light lens and those crazy seatbelts.
Where the rims painted solid blue from the factory or were they two tone? The rims that are on the car are painted solid, but I get two tone and solid when I google it. _________________ __________
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Bub Samba Member

Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 1238 Location: Central Washington
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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richparker wrote: |
Thanks guys.
Gulf Blue, I can dig it.
The reasons I say it’s a Euro are:
Fhart/Start column lock, Amber and red tail light lens and those crazy seatbelts.
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Steering lock was somewhat common , and easy to add.- what does the wiring to it look like vs. the ignition switch in the usual place? One is original and most people aren't super good at matching stock wiring for that kind of stuff. Front apron over rider bracket holes look original, as do the rear...63' would still have had euro bumpers?
And you can't go by the euro colored lenses- that's just about the easiest thing to swap on the entire car.
Is the speedo in KM's? If not and the date stamp on the back seems to match, then likely not euro. That's what I'd trust as much as anything. _________________
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House Minutia Militia

Joined: June 13, 2001 Posts: 1859
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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richparker wrote: |
Were the rims painted solid blue from the factory or were they two tone? The rims that are on the car are painted solid |
They would have come painted Kings Blue and Misty Grey two tone from the factory.
Funny, it translates to Royal Blue and Fog Grey (which actually makes more sense) if you look up the German names.
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mukluk Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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A US market '63 should have come with seat belt mounts in the tunnel and in the B pillar. To me the eyelet style belt mounts (installed inboard of the seat rails no less) points toward the car having belts added later in its life -- the instructions for dealer added belts wouldn't have positioned them in such a location.
One can't go off the "US spec" bumpers since they were actually a factory option in all markets (see here and here for examples of Euro cars with these bumpers). Similarly, they would have been required to be added before the car could leave the port if it was a Euro market import.
Personally, I think it's quite plausible that the car was originally sold in a European market then subsequently brought over by private party or more likely by a grey market importer.
Regardless of its provenance, it looks like a decent car worthy of keeping around and enjoying. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7371 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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House wrote: |
richparker wrote: |
Were the rims painted solid blue from the factory or were they two tone? The rims that are on the car are painted solid |
They would have come painted Kings Blue and Misty Grey two tone from the factory.
Funny, it translates to Royal Blue and Fog Grey (which actually makes more sense) if you look up the German names.
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Interesting that they weren’t painted Gulf Blue to match the car.
The outer looks white. I’m guessing Fog Grey is a very light Grey.
Found this pic from 2017 that is supposed to be a survivor. The blue does look a bit off from the gulf
Obviously the car has been repainted a lighter blue at some point in its life. I’m sure I can find two colors that will be close enough. _________________ __________
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House Minutia Militia

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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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I am not so sure those weren’t repainted, at least the white part.
Here are some pics of the spare from the same car.
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scottyrocks Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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Wasn't it common for wheel color to be slightly darker than body color? Example: ruby red car with cadmium red wheels. Or not for this year/blue? _________________ “If you care for a thing long enough, it takes on a life of its own, doesn't it? Mending old things, preserving them, looking after them – on some level there's no rational grounds for it.”
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zerotofifty Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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memory lane. I had a 58 that color (color of your dash) good little car. Thanks for neato photographs!!! |
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House Minutia Militia

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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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scottyrocks wrote: |
Wasn't it common for wheel color to be slightly darker than body color? Example: ruby red car with cadmium red wheels. Or not for this year/blue? |
Correct. |
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heimlich  VWNOS.com

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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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It's a keeper.
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xraymatt Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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That's gonna be a great project! I'll definitely be following along! _________________ 1956 Reed Green oval window
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owokie Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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Dude, nice! This '61 just happened into my life too, let's go cruise.
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7371 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Soooo, I guess I’m keeping this ‘63… |
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^Thats a good looking car. I bet that paint will buff right up.
This car won’t be on the road for awhile. I’m shooting for May 2025. My current plan is to do the chassis this summer, build the engine over the winter and stab it in next spring. We’ll see how that goes. 🤷♂️
I can cruise with you in my ‘65, that car is a ripper! That build and my bus build is in my signature line.
Unfortunately I did not get anything done on the car this weekend. It snowed sideways all day yesterday, so that just left today and I had other shit to do. I did get the donor broke down a bunch and put on the engine stand this morning. Then I did a bunch of stuff and worked on my bus. I changed the oil, adjusted the valves, new cork gaskets and rotated the tires. So, at least I was Vdubin.
Donor motor. I hoping to be able to use the case, heads, crank, intake, dizzy, alt stand, heat exchangers and all the tin from this motor.
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