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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:31 am    Post subject: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

I need to replace the distributor on my stock 1965 vw beetle with a 1200cc 40 HP motor. It has been converted to 12 volts. The Dist is a vacuum advance. I am an old man and having some fun but I need to know what distributor to order. I have a new 30 Pict-1 carb on if that matters. Can I use a carb with centrifugal advance or do I need to keep the vacuum kind? If you can tell me what to order that would be appreciated.Thanks all.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

whats wrong with the one "Dizzy" you have ? might just need a new vacuum adv mounted . most parts are still available for it . look at your distributor for the model Number on the ID tag and see if its the correct one .......there are some guys here who professionally rebuild old distributors . look in the classifieds

here are a couple . im sure they help guide you to the right one for your Bug .



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

Another option that worked for me was to move over to the Pertronix electronic ignition .

https://pertronixbrands.com/products/pertronix-d18...non-vacuum

https://pertronixbrands.com/products/pertronix-40511-flame-thrower-coil-40-000-volt-3-0-ohm-black

I'm a hobbyist and don't have the wrenching skills of most here, but this was an easy install with immediate positive results.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

A stock 1200 likes the stock vacuum distributor. Good drivability and economy, no flat spots.

They originally had 28 carbs. You may need some careful rejetting and adjusting for the 30, but it can work well. I'll leave it to glutamoto to advise if the vacuum ports of the 28 and 30 give the same draw. Is there a tag or stamp on the carb base?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

This place has all the original parts you need for your distributor. I am a happy customer. https://www.vwnos.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

If you have the stock 40HP distributor it would not work well with the 30 PICT carburetor. You need a 28 PICT style. Would you share a picture of the distributor?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

Yeah, the 30PICT-1 does just fine with any of the mid 60s vacuum-only distributors. As far as reproductions go, the only time issues were found with one such was EMPI branded carburetors, and a very long time ago I talked about them here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=278191
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

glutamodo wrote:
Yeah, the 30PICT-1 does just fine with any of the mid 60s vacuum-only distributors. As far as reproductions go, the only time issues were found with one such was EMPI branded carburetors, and a very long time ago I talked about them here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=278191


You mentioned you preferred the roll pin over the solid pin. How does the roll pin work compared to the other?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

KingAir42 wrote:

You mentioned you preferred the roll pin over the solid pin. How does the roll pin work compared to the other?


You mean the limit pin for the fast idle cam? Well DVG in Germany (the company that made them for VW) went to using such for factory carbs in the PICT-3 era. but it was a much bigger pin.

The stock limit pins on the PICT/PICT-1/PICT-2 carbs was just a metal rod shoved in a hole and they often wallowed out. With a roll pin you have more dynamic tension than a solid rod. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that, but VW, via DVG went that route in the early 70s, and then Mexican Pierburg-BOCAR (actually a distant cousin of DVG) went that way in the 70s on their reproduction 30PICT-1 carb. I think it's a better idea.

But this is off-topic as far as matching up with distributors.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

Yeah, that’s what I was asking about. Thanks for the explanation.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: 1965 1200cc Distributor help. Reply with quote

From one old guy to another:

Bosch replaced it's large body cast iron distributors in 1964 so the original 40 hp distributors were aluminum bodies with the condenser mounted outside the body with a stamped part number not a badge.

The part numbers for 1965 were ZV/JU 4 R 3 and 111 905 205 N. These are the same distributor because midway through 1965 Bosch changed their part numbering system. These distributors had a small saucer shaped vacuum canister which mated to 28 PICT series carburetors.

Now since you are moving over to a 30 PICT Solex carburetor you will also need to change your distributor choice since the carburetor and vacuum advance only distributor need to be a matched vacuum signal pairing.

Your vacuum only distributor choices are: 113 905 205 K, 113 905 205 M, 113 905 205 T. These vacuum only distributors use larger flatter vacuum canisters but very few people would recognize them as incorrect for 1965.

Cores for these are readily available but the purchasers should verify that the vacuum canister is working correctly before buying. i'm not a fan of either of the two major restorers here, so plan on doing your own distributor rebuild in my opinion.

You can choose to run a mechanical only advance distributor since their function does not depend upon your carburetor. They technically would not be correct for 1965 but with the omnipresent proliferation of the 009 distributor very few would recognize this or likely even care.

Distributors do not care what voltage is applied to them.
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