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drpete Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:02 pm Post subject: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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Here are 2 different carburetors, both model 26 VFIS. The one on the left has its numbers on the lower body half. It also has a serial #727746
The one on the right has its number marking on the upper body half, and it has no serial # that I can find.
I'm trying to find out what year(s) each of these was used and which one I should use on my '51 11e.
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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i dont know . i have 2 myself . i think they were used on more than VW's ? so when i bought mine i made sure they were stamped VW , kinda near the butterfly shaft in the housing , its just a small by hand VW stamp . are yours ?
my pic is washed out n upside down , trying to show the vw stamp . its more clear in hand , try double clicking the pic to enlarge it .
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drpete Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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my3bugs wrote: |
i dont know . i have 2 myself . i think they were used on more than VW's ? so when i bought mine i made sure they were stamped VW , kinda near the butterfly shaft in the housing , its just a small by hand VW stamp . are yours ?
my pic is washed out n upside down , trying to show the vw stamp . its more clear in hand , try double clicking the pic to enlarge it .
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My carburetor on the left has the same VW logo. Not seen on the other carb. Both have another (different logo) seen in my first images...near the pivot point for the choke on the side of the upper half... Not sure who or what company that represents... _________________ Happy to be alive. Hey Dad, Mom, wish you were here to see all this.
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my3bugs Samba Member
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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i have one working on a motor here . i bought this one as a spare on the samba . i bought a rebuild kit on ebay and re worked it myself . it looks better than the one on the motor so i mounted it on a board and displayed it with a air filter up top for a while here in the house ..... the wife wasent as impressed as i was LOL
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virtanen Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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The 26VFIS throat diameter is always good to check, I have seen so many industrial carbs in cars, and they don't work well. The correct stamp is 21.5 when industrial is 20. It's possible to enlarge, also jets could be wrong. Main jet for car is 120. _________________ Mika
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:16 am Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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quote - Both have another (different logo) seen in my first images...near the pivot point for the choke on the side of the upper half... Not sure who or what company that represents...
here's the answer from another thread
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:35 am Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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is there somewhere i could get a 120 jet ? this carb came with a few spare jets but not 120 . came with a 180 and 170 and a 945 and a 950 on the side of the carb .....
and i am not seeing a 21.5 stamp anywhere ???
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:44 am Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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ok i found the 21.5 stamp inside on the venturi |
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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OK another member helped me ID the main jet , its the small one at the bottom of the bowl . i couldnt read it very good so took it half way apart n got it out . mine looks to be stamped 1.0 ??? not 120 ...... are these jets available anywhere ?
my air correction jet is 180 but i have an extra 170 ??? someone told me the 170 is correct ?
and on the outer side of the carb i have something marked 945 , and an extra one marked 950 . dont know whats correct as original ???
any help , tips or information is appreciated ??? im rather a carb dummy but i try to do my own work .....
trying to show ya pic of the main jet looks like 1.0 or 7.0 to me ? says solex on the other side . if you double click the pic it enlarges .
i have it soaking in some cleaner now .
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virtanen Samba Member
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wagen19 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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my3bugs wrote: |
OK another member helped me ID the main jet , its the small one at the bottom of the bowl . i couldnt read it very good so took it half way apart n got it out . mine looks to be stamped 1.0 ??? not 120 ...... are these jets available anywhere ?
my air correction jet is 180 but i have an extra 170 ??? someone told me the 170 is correct ?
and on the outer side of the carb i have something marked 945 , and an extra one marked 950 . dont know whats correct as original ???
any help , tips or information is appreciated ??? im rather a carb dummy but i try to do my own work .....
trying to show ya pic of the main jet looks like 1.0 or 7.0 to me ? says solex on the other side . if you double click the pic it enlarges .
i have it soaking in some cleaner now .
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There are lists for carb jetting here:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=424417
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=468816
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=2170791
> till 4´45 SOLEX 26 VFI, DVG, Berlin (Solex, Pierburg)
> 4´45 till late 46: big trouble, many individual carbs and fuel pumps, left over spares, parts, VW factory cast bodies with parts for ex from "Voigtländer", Braumschweig, camera, assembled also at WOB
> late 46 to around 9´49: "VW-Vergaser" (Huf) (budget version, licensed copy)
> 26 VFI: 9´49 to 4´50 (for ex. Solex, Pierburg, Neuss)
> 26 VFIS: 4´50 to 9´52 (for ex. Rokal, Lobberich)
122 = industrial engine
28 VFIS = later industrial engines, for ex. VW and Ford
As far as known, "Rokal", not bombed in WW2, planned carb production in 1´46 and started production of carbs after WW2 for VW.
Later they produced also for ex. for Mercedes and Ford. (allways under Pierburg license)
So imo the newer carbs got the "26 VFIS" marking, the earlier not.
Interesting is the Story of "Pierburg", Berlin, Neuss
Pierburg has the rights, the patents, the license and the connections to the car makers.
In 1947 Pierburg started their new imperium at Neuss.
Also Pierburg had different factories and partners who made carbs, pumps or parts for Pierburg. |
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:15 am Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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ok i have a lot to sink in here . thanks for sharing this info and part links Guys !!!
Mika i took off that 14 mm bolt and indeed it has a 0120 marked jet inside there .
i swapped the 170 air correction jet for the 180 i had .
for the pilot jet i installed the g45 but have a spare marked g50 .
still trying to understand a few of these parts like
pilot jet air bleed 1.2 i THINK that is what i have marked 1.0
spraying well interior 5,3
emulsion tube 0
i do have a scale i can weigh the float with to confirm that .
i liked this chart just cuz its in English
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finster Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:40 am Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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drpete wrote: |
Here are 2 different carburetors, both model 26 VFIS.
I'm trying to find out what year(s) each of these was used and which one I should use on my '51 11e.
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did the op's query get an answer? are both of them ok for a 51?
wagen19 - > 26 VFIS: 4´50 to 9´52 (for ex. Rokal, Lobberich) _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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my3bugs Samba Member
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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with each new piece i am able identify and confirm its the correct part number n such im feeling more n more confident this carb may be usable sooner than later . one of the things in the list is the float weight of 12.5 G .... so i set it on a scale but soon saw its marked 12.5 on top of the float , my scale kept bouncing between 12 and 13 grams , close as this scale gets .
the only part that isn't JIVEING is the jet pilot air bleed , mine is marked 1.0 and its supposed to be 1.2 not sure what this means , 1.0 to 1.2 sounds like a small file could do that , open it up but im likely to just leave it as it for now . and ask questions rather than mess it up
and NOW if you look real close even the float has one of the " Rokal " logo stamps in the top of it .
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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i rebuilt this carb maybe a year back now but i didnt have any of this valuable information folks have shared here .... i keep going back over what i had done and now im questioning the needle n seat that came in the rebuild kit . its just generic no markings on it . the parts list shows i should have a Solex 1.2 or 1.5
well the one i replaced is a Solex 1.5 . would this needle n seat still be good here to use ? or go with the replacment or can i actually find a NEW Solex 1.5 needle n seat today ???
i sure like seeing it marked solex .
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drpete Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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Good afternoon and apologies for being "off the radar". We are dealing with some health issues (cancer) with a family member and I've had more than a few distractions in the past couple days.
I've read through the comments by other samba members. Thanks to all. We all learn this way. Short answer to "my3bugs" question is that we haven't yet heard from someone whether either of my 2 carburetors would be correct for a 1951 standard bug. It may be that either would be fine. I started this thread out of my curiosity regarding the subtle difference between the two... I will be using the carburetor on the left with my 25hp engine, only because that's the one that came with the car... Cheers! Celebrate Life! _________________ Happy to be alive. Hey Dad, Mom, wish you were here to see all this.
Pete Keesling
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: 2 Different Solex 26 VFIS Carbs. Which 1 for an 11e? |
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sorry you having to deal with cancer Pete ..........look over VolkzBitz.com website he specializes in these early carbs ...... he shows some for 43 thru 49 , the vfi . then looks like next generation carb is what we have here vfis .
https://www.volkzbitz.com/home.html |
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