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Huetti_1989
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Huetti_1989
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 Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:25 am Post subject: Re: 52 panel repair from Austria |
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Finally! You are here in the 'pro' forum for the slim and proper ladies. It was about time to leave them 'fat chicks' be....  
I will second above thought, and ask if you know any history about the bus ? most probably Austrian delivered?
it seems, that it had a crash and the area where you scraped the paint appears to have torch heat spots from straightening.
Are you thinking about another patina restoration, or rather some functional repaint? Are you going to split the chassis from the shell ?
So many questions, that we will hopefully be updated here in the future.
Great Kastenwagen ! Hat bereits den Tiger im Tank ....  |
Yes, finally i started one of the Barndoor builds!
I now ordered the birth certificate, i post it here once it arrives!
I not want to do a full restoration again, but we will see how it worked out.
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cool
an den erinnere ich mich... |
Me too!
Before it gets rescued?
Crazy about the gearbox couver, maybe anyone knows more?
I not answering every post here for now, but thank you for the interest, so here comes some updates of the last days:
I put out front axle and gearbox, found nuts, nuts and nuts. And some bones of a nut eating animal? 
-Christian
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karl h
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djfordmanjack
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| Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: 52 panel repair from Austria |
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Thank you very much for starting your build on here, Christian. Was about time to get some life back into the barndoor forum! your detailed builds and pics are always a pleasure to check out and a huge motivation on my own projects !
I am currently rebuilding my shop and may be able to get back to my bus projects next year. 
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Huetti_1989
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djfordmanjack
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Huetti_1989
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djfordmanjack
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:44 am Post subject: Re: 52 panel repair from Austria |
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you better be back QUICK !
lots of work waiting for you. The Celette is awesome. A friend of mine had 3 until his passing.
Honestly the main chassis rails on the 52 look really good and solid, the front frame horns look mint.
I wonder since you said the front part is low. I believe your early 52 is one of the last buses, that does NOT have the INNER frame braces (double layer) over and just in front of the front axle. I cannot make out any spot welds.
Those earlier buses are notorious to have broken, sagged or bent front frame rails.
This link is the 52 bus that Michael (Cal/USA) bought from Jakob (A). April 52 and it also didn't have the inner braces yet.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=766849
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sgellis
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:58 am Post subject: Re: 52 panel repair from Austria |
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front right frame horn is 4mm to low.
amazing how exact you can measure on that jig! |
If that was the only issue then yours is much better built than mine was 
My 54 was 4mm short on the right and rear beam ends are clocked 4°. left rear Inner frame was bent before beam was welded in at factory. Even the body was assembled with major misalignments.
It was frustrating taking my initial measurements as I could not get them to match left to right. Once I started disassembling the body I found the misaligned joints and other manufacturing faults.
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djfordmanjack
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:08 am Post subject: Re: 52 panel repair from Austria |
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if you look closely at the original production photos, you will see that the whole side panel units were built from a-post to rear quarters and those were then set on the preassembled and spot welded floor structure. One can easily imagine, if something was a little off in the jigs, that they had to make do and therefore twist or otherwise adjust the frame ends/outriggers to match the other large preassembled sections. Lots of crooked joints for sure. I guess it got a lot better with the new purpose built Hannover bus plant in 1956.
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| Huetti_1989 wrote: |
front right frame horn is 4mm to low.
amazing how exact you can measure on that jig! |
If that was the only issue then yours is much better built than mine was
My 54 was 4mm short on the right and rear beam ends are clocked 4°. left rear Inner frame was bent before beam was welded in at factory. Even the body was assembled with major misalignments.
It was frustrating taking my initial measurements as I could not get them to match left to right. Once I started disassembling the body I found the misaligned joints and other manufacturing faults. |
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52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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Huetti_1989
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djfordmanjack
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: 52 panel repair from Austria |
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Christian, concerning the bend on the spring plate bump stops. We already had several discussions about that in different build topics. I guess I also addressed it in my own build thread.
My take is they would have been straight up from factory and got bent over by overloading and bumping the spring plates (Schwerter) and/or binding lever Shocks (Hebelstoßdämpfer).
The driver's side one on my chassis was extremely bent and easily could be bent back, without heat, and no cracks happening. To me it seems it is a very ductile forged and weldable steel. ( Vergüteter Schmiedestahl) or maybe cast steel, not cast iron. (Temper Guss oder Guss Stahl, kein normaler Grauguss).
Sorry guys I am just translating to German expressions, for it may be easier to communicate in our mother tongue on technical material specs like that.
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got it back from sand blasting and there is enough left to build a chassis from it !
bent bump stops cant stop me from bumping them straight !
and filler primer
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52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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TRS63
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andre b
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| Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:18 am Post subject: Re: 52 panel repair from Austria |
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| The best guy to watch!!very very nice work. |
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Alan Brase
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| Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:46 am Post subject: Re: 52 panel repair from Austria |
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| die grüne RECA Knipex ist der Killer ! I hab meine seit 30 Jahren, still going strong ... |
this is the one for the hard jobs
We in the US never saw Green Knipex pliers.
I've come to love using them in electrical and plumbing work, but agree they are the best performing of any brand pliers.
Love to see your progress. It is always good to see other person's technique at solving problems.
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splitface
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:23 am Post subject: Re: 52 panel repair from Austria |
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it is good to see that this GEM is in right hands ..not mine
looking forward to see more adventures during resto |
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Huetti_1989
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