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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2025 5:36 pm    Post subject: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

A routine annual fuel line replacement took a sour turn when the barb pulled out of my dome top fuel pump.

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What are my options here? It didn't take much force to pull it out so it's probably for the best that this happened now rather than while driving. I lost a Bus to a fire in the late 90s and would prefer the best fix possible. I'm planning to attend a show in 10 days and now that may be in doubt - I'd rather fix it right than fast.

TIA for suggestions!
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2025 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

Remove both tubes. Scuff the brass tube end with 180 grit paper to give it a tooth that goes into the bore. Apply Loctite green retaining compound and hammer BOTH tubes back in with the Loctite. If you apply it right, the tube won't come out again.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2025 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

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Remove both tubes. Scuff the brass tube end with 180 grit paper to give it a tooth that goes into the bore. Apply Loctite green retaining compound and hammer BOTH tubes back in with the Loctite. If you apply it right, the tube won't come out again.


Thanks! To clarify, this is the dome top pump that has a hard line threaded in, the only tube I see is the outlet to the carb. Do I have that correct or am I missing something?
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2025 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

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Remove both tubes. Scuff the brass tube end with 180 grit paper to give it a tooth that goes into the bore. Apply Loctite green retaining compound and hammer BOTH tubes back in with the Loctite. If you apply it right, the tube won't come out again.


Thanks! To clarify, this is the dome top pump that has a hard line threaded in, the only tube I see is the outlet to the carb. Do I have that correct or am I missing something?


Oops, sorry, I quickly looked at the pump picture. Yes, just the tube that came out. The screw in inlet is fine. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2025 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

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Remove both tubes. Scuff the brass tube end with 180 grit paper to give it a tooth that goes into the bore. Apply Loctite green retaining compound and hammer BOTH tubes back in with the Loctite. If you apply it right, the tube won't come out again.


Thanks! To clarify, this is the dome top pump that has a hard line threaded in, the only tube I see is the outlet to the carb. Do I have that correct or am I missing something?


Oops, sorry, I quickly looked at the pump picture. Yes, just the tube that came out. The screw in inlet is fine. Wink


Thanks again - one more question for you: Which green Loctite do you use? There are several different Loctite retaining compounds - 609, 620, 640, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2025 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

638 is what I use!
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2025 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

pdx6169 wrote:
It didn't take much force to pull it out so it's probably for the best that this happened now rather than while driving.

YES !


Do the fix as written above. And I'd still add a safety wire. This is not my photo, but shows what one can do; I wouldn't do exactly as shown in the photo, but you could do something similar. And consider similar on a pressed-in fitting on a carburetor. If yours is a show vehicle, you could remove that once you get to the show, and then re-do for the trip home.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2025 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

Similarly, I rolled my inlet pipe between two coarse files to dimple it so it would stay put.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2025 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

I would use a files on the tube with a cross hatch pattern and JB weld it in place. Also do ad this to the pump to so the pin does not fall out or have a chance to fall out. A lil homemade item front of pump and rear.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2025 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

Thanks all for weighing in. I believe this has been repaired. Just went for a successful test drive.

Per wcfvw69's advice, I scuffed the end of the outlet tube with sandpaper. I used 120 because I didn't have 180 on hand - just a bit of light scuffing was needed as the brass is soft. I rubbed the paper horizontally and vertically along the tube to make a bit of a cross pattern. I then cleaned the outlet tube with brake cleaner, and used brake cleaner on a q-tip to clean the inside of the bore.

I then used a tiny acrylic craft brush to apply a thin layer of sleeve retainer to the tube and inside the bore. I went with Eskonne 638, which appears to be an Amazon imitation of Loctite 638. I then gently tapped it home. The existing knurling on the tube did not go in all the way, but looking at the photo in my original post, the knurling left teeth marks inside the bore which indicate that the tube is about as far in as it was before.

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I let the retaining compound cure for a day. I didn't go nuts tugging on the tube to test it but it feels very solid. I put a new fuel line and clamp on, and topped it off with a simple loop of safety wire around the clamp and fuel pump. I don't think it will be going anywhere Pray Pray . I will probably just leave the wire on for shows - I often find shows to be educational and maybe seeing my setup would help someone else.

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Went for a drive around the neighborhood, everything stayed in place and I didn't notice any leakage or fuel odors.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2025 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

i have the same issue with a 34 pict 3 carb im working on . i have that green 638 loctite in my amazon cart .
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2025 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

I like the safety wire.

My own 1970 VW had factory crimp-clamps on the lines at the fuel pump, and about 1975 the one to the carburetor came loose and spilled raw gas over the engine area and I drove like 5 miles like that (didn't notice a performance issue), got home and liquid gas was all over the engine tins by the distributor, was a miracle it didn't go up in flames. I was so scared I just let all that gas evaporate, then added my own clamps and safety wires.

I was extremely lucky.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

The German fuel line grips the brass tube tighter and tighter just like Chinese finger cuffs the more one pulls. Best to use a flat tipped screwdriver to push against the hose end to move the hose off the brass tube.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

Eric&Barb wrote:
The German fuel line grips the brass tube tighter and tighter just like Chinese finger cuffs the more one pulls. Best to use a flat tipped screwdriver to push against the hose end to move the hose off the brass tube.


When I install fresh hose, I just run it several inches longer than necessary. That way if I need to remove the hose, I just carefully cut it away lengthwise at the brass tube. No need to pull on the hose. Since I have extra hose to work with, I can then just trim off the cut portion and reattach the hose.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

i just got a bottle of the loctite 638 delivered from Amazon , i thought there must be a mistake its such a big bottle 50 Ml , it was 16 dollars . i thought i was getting a smaller amount . i see some sellers asking 75 bucks for the same size bottle on amazon ........i only have 1 tube to install , this is a few life times supply for me .
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Outlet barb came out of fuel pump Reply with quote

gt1953 wrote:
I would use a files on the tube with a cross hatch pattern and JB weld it in place. Also do ad this to the pump to so the pin does not fall out or have a chance to fall out. A lil homemade item front of pump and rear.

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That is very elegant. The only side of road failure I have had in 25 years has been the pump rod!
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