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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:42 pm    Post subject: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

Came across this gem on FB marketplace (link below was provided in the FB ad.)

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https://www.evansmotors.net/vdp/12189131/Used-1975...g-KS-66762

(Everett, if this is posted in the wrong place please feel free to move it.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

A rather mediocre 21 window replica got bid up to $70k on BAT a few weeks ago and it didn't meet the dudes reserve if you can believe that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

junk.

Im tired of seeing this junk, I wish the market would stop supporting the demand.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

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A rather mediocre 21 window replica got bid up to $70k on BAT a few weeks ago and it didn't meet the dudes reserve if you can believe that.


Wow, I would have dropped that reserve immediately.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

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A rather mediocre 21 window replica got bid up to $70k on BAT a few weeks ago and it didn't meet the dudes reserve if you can believe that.


Wow, I would have dropped that reserve immediately.


Agreed. But the point is there was at least one person willing to pay $70k for a fake 21.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

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Brazilian? Not to me but to someone else? Maybe.

A clean German-built 13/15-Window converted to a nice factory-looking 23-Window? I'd say Yes.

I noticed that Bus has a heater tube up front.
Now I'm confused on what Brazilian Buses have those and which do not.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

Clearly a brazilian 15 turned into a 23.
The style is very not fashionable to bus snobs, which is what you'll find on these forums.
May be worth it, up to you.

Do some research . There are a number of 'what's this bus worth ' threads in these forums. Watch the date, as buses are worth more than ten years ago.

No pop out windows on the sides is odd.

This pic shows how the roof panels are kombi style, with skylights cut in.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

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May be worth it, up to you.

Do some research . There are a number of 'what's this bus worth ' threads in these forums. Watch the date, as buses are worth more than ten years ago.



I'm just asking the experts on here out of curiosity- I have no real interest (and nowhere close to that kind of money.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

those skylight rubbers look ridiculous poking out so far. And thats one of many things wrong with that. I agree. I hope the market crashes. I'm tired of seeing this garbage
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

Clara wrote:
Clearly a brazilian 15 turned into a 23.
The style is very not fashionable to bus snobs, which is what you'll find on these forums.
May be worth it, up to you.

Do some research . There are a number of 'what's this bus worth ' threads in these forums. Watch the date, as buses are worth more than ten years ago.

No pop out windows on the sides is odd.

This pic shows how the roof panels are kombi style, with skylights cut in.
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That looks like absolute shit. I'd be embarrassed to do that level of work and then ask more than $3k for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

Clara wrote:

The style is very not fashionable to bus snobs, which is what you'll find on these forums.


Hey-- you're right!! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

A replica 23 is easily worth 30k. But obviously it depends on the quality. Is a bad one worth 30k seems to be the question?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

whether its a Porsche speedster replica or a fake samba, its about personal taste, wallet-size and just plain old enjoyment of driving it. Personally I'd be terrified to drive a real samba that cost over $90,000 in NY (or for that matter Im terrified to drive my real Zwitter around here!).....too many drivers not paying a attention.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

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A replica 23 is easily worth 30k. But obviously it depends on the quality. Is a bad one worth 30k seems to be the question?


So, what makes a bad one? Is this one a "bad" replica? If so why?? Guy above said it looks like absolute shit, and he would be embarrassed to ask $3k, but doesn't say why or go into any detail at all. That kind of post really DOES make this forum look snobbish.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

sb001 wrote:
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A replica 23 is easily worth 30k. But obviously it depends on the quality. Is a bad one worth 30k seems to be the question?


So, what makes a bad one? Is this one a "bad" replica? If so why?? Guy above said it looks like absolute shit, and he would be embarrassed to ask $3k, but doesn't say why or go into any detail at all. That kind of post really DOES make this forum look snobbish.


Fair enough, look at the fit and finish of the headliner, the panels with headliner material glued to them and crammed in. It's shoddy, fast work done to make a quick buck relying on uneducated buyers to not notice the difference. All too typical in the classic car scene.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

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A replica 23 is easily worth 30k. But obviously it depends on the quality. Is a bad one worth 30k seems to be the question?


So, what makes a bad one? Is this one a "bad" replica? If so why?? Guy above said it looks like absolute shit, and he would be embarrassed to ask $3k, but doesn't say why or go into any detail at all. That kind of post really DOES make this forum look snobbish.


First of all, it's a Brazilian Bus so there's a good chance it's already a POS to start with and has probably had shoddy repairs in the past or right now, possibly multiple times over.

In addition to other things mentioned, I see:
* Skylights are not recessed, they are popping out of the roof (crappy conversion)
* Seat upholstery looks sloppy
* Engine area metal and paint looks messed up with dents and fiberglass? and simply painted over afterward
* Non of the side windows pop-out. Can you say insane oven in the summer?
* Deluxe parts missing - No jail bars, no rear seat bar, etc.
* Front floor and cargo floor are just flat metal? Maybe that's sound padding though, hard to tell for sure. The cargo floor looks more like it could be some sort of sound dampening material.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a replica 23 window really worth $30k?? Reply with quote

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sb001 wrote:
55samba wrote:
A replica 23 is easily worth 30k. But obviously it depends on the quality. Is a bad one worth 30k seems to be the question?


So, what makes a bad one? Is this one a "bad" replica? If so why?? Guy above said it looks like absolute shit, and he would be embarrassed to ask $3k, but doesn't say why or go into any detail at all. That kind of post really DOES make this forum look snobbish.


First of all, it's a Brazilian Bus so there's a good chance it's already a POS to start with and has probably had shoddy repairs in the past or right now, possibly multiple times over.

In addition to other things mentioned, I see:
* Skylights are not recessed, they are popping out of the roof (crappy conversion)
* Seat upholstery looks sloppy
* Engine area metal and paint looks messed up with dents and fiberglass? and simply painted over afterward
* Non of the side windows pop-out. Can you say insane oven in the summer?
* Deluxe parts missing - No jail bars, no rear seat bar, etc.
* Front floor and cargo floor are just flat metal? Maybe that's sound padding though, hard to tell for sure. The cargo floor looks more like it could be some sort of sound dampening material.


All of that ^ honestly seems like 100% standard Brazilian build. Anyone who considers buying a Brazilian bus should expect that. Because YOU WILL GET IT.

But you can't bitch about the price of Brazilian busses' without including German ones. Want a Deluxe but don't have $75k for a rusty puzzle?
Then you get a tin can cattle carrier deluxe for 1/3 the price. If you've been into VW's and swapping/ flipping them since the 80's that's the market WE ALL have created.
We're all to blame for this, many have been smart one way or another and profited from or KEPT the desirable models.
Same deal with real estate in anywhere that's desirable.
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