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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motomazzo wrote:
Fowvay wrote:
germanpride wrote:
swing axle cars look badass when slammed


I'm not picking on you or anything but are you saying you actually like the acute angles created by slamming a swinger?

I personally much prefer the straight up and down of an IRS rear end for slamming as it gives a much better contact patch and doesnt make it look like the rear wheels are broken.

Tom aka Fowvay


Amen to that. Camber is a ridiculous look. To each his own, but I've always thought it looks like something is broken. Not to mention the litany of mechanical issues that go along with it. I saw a post the other day of a guy who made his own front end. Impressive work, but in the end, the front wheels had camber too! Dumbest look I've ever seen. The only thing worse than camber on the rear wheels is camber on the front too. Again, to each his own. It's not for me.

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I agree, too low on a swing axle is not my taste on the rear. I like it when the negative camber is close to the stock angle of positive camber. If you drive any swing axle, there's always someone who thinks it's broken. When I drive my single cab at stock height, people think the same thing when the top of the tires point out. I had a low tire tire once and didn't notice, but several people behind me did. It just made the camber look more extreme. Very annoying explaining it sometimes, but oh well.

I would really dig IRS setups if only they weren't so damn wide! I hate when a lowered IRS car looks like the tire is constantly rubbing the rim. If someone could come up with a narrow setup that didn't require hacking the torsion, it would sell! If you wanna be low, short swing axle and narrowed front end is the only one that keeps the tires off the fenders. That's why it's still so popular.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

The spring plate is in the same spot.
If the tires hit the fender you need different wheel backspace, pull the tires in.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:04 am    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

All I know from this thread is that no one is listening to a. Band called EngineHead....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

AngiePeanut wrote:
Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
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1970 came with IRS so this might be an interesting build.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

Abscate wrote:
AngiePeanut wrote:
Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Angie


1970 came with IRS so this might be an interesting build.


Seen a post for a 75 for sale that the owner claimed was a swing. I just assumed they used a swing tranny springs and plates. Is this possible?

Someone posted a video on facebook just yesterday of a swing that had been extreme lowered. I say if you have to look stupid to look "cool" Ill just stay stock.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:56 am    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

Abscate wrote:
AngiePeanut wrote:
Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Angie


1970 came with IRS so this might be an interesting build.


Yes, the US got IRS. I believe Canada still could get a swing axle in 1970.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:58 am    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

Both terms (engine and motor) are from the old Latin.

When technology and law were at their maximum the official language was Latin.

When arts like science, philosophy, medical were at their maximum, the official language was old Greek.

So it is normal to find Latin-derived terms into technology and law, or Greek terms into science, medical, etc.

To be more specific:

ENGINE: from latin "Ingenium" that is the capability and the skill to make something of complex. Who has Ingenium should be able to build a ship, to make a motor, to build a bridge, to make a device.

MOTOR: from latin "Motu", "Movere", (=moving) + 'r', in English should be translated into "MOVER" meaning a stuff capable to generate a movement.

So from an ethymologic point of view VW engine is both an Engine (product of human Ingenium) and a Motor (its purpose is to move the car).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

AngiePeanut wrote:
Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Angie



Is it this one?

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This is a 1970 Canadian Custom model that still features its original 1200 cc engine and swing-axle combination. This model was never available in the US.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

Yes that is the one, sorry I was away and just saw your post.

Got it running great but having wiring issues now. Can you recommend someone in Nanaimo that knows about wiring? Seems like the last person who owned it didn't know a lot and cut wires and left some bare. Bit of a nightmare now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

Did you buy it?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

Yes I did

Any recommendations for wiring?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. Reply with quote

Check you PM's for some local help with this if you are interested...
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