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Volktales
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 Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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Check you PM's for some local help with this if you are interested...
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AngiePeanut
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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Yes I did
Any recommendations for wiring? |
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Volktales
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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Did you buy it?
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
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AngiePeanut
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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Yes that is the one, sorry I was away and just saw your post.
Got it running great but having wiring issues now. Can you recommend someone in Nanaimo that knows about wiring? Seems like the last person who owned it didn't know a lot and cut wires and left some bare. Bit of a nightmare now. |
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Volktales
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Angie |
Is it this one?
This is a 1970 Canadian Custom model that still features its original 1200 cc engine and swing-axle combination. This model was never available in the US.
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1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
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herbie1200
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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Both terms (engine and motor) are from the old Latin.
When technology and law were at their maximum the official language was Latin.
When arts like science, philosophy, medical were at their maximum, the official language was old Greek.
So it is normal to find Latin-derived terms into technology and law, or Greek terms into science, medical, etc.
To be more specific:
ENGINE: from latin "Ingenium" that is the capability and the skill to make something of complex. Who has Ingenium should be able to build a ship, to make a motor, to build a bridge, to make a device.
MOTOR: from latin "Motu", "Movere", (=moving) + 'r', in English should be translated into "MOVER" meaning a stuff capable to generate a movement.
So from an ethymologic point of view VW engine is both an Engine (product of human Ingenium) and a Motor (its purpose is to move the car). |
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Q-Dog
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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| AngiePeanut wrote: |
Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Angie |
1970 came with IRS so this might be an interesting build. |
Yes, the US got IRS. I believe Canada still could get a swing axle in 1970.
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Redneckgearhead
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:20 am Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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| Abscate wrote: |
| AngiePeanut wrote: |
Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Angie |
1970 came with IRS so this might be an interesting build. |
Seen a post for a 75 for sale that the owner claimed was a swing. I just assumed they used a swing tranny springs and plates. Is this possible?
Someone posted a video on facebook just yesterday of a swing that had been extreme lowered. I say if you have to look stupid to look "cool" Ill just stay stock.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:35 am Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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| AngiePeanut wrote: |
Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Angie |
1970 came with IRS so this might be an interesting build.
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AngiePeanut
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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Hi, just joined this site. Heading to look at a 1970 bug tomorrow with a swing axle. I've owned a few bugs over the years but none with a swing axle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Angie |
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Abscate
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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All I know from this thread is that no one is listening to a. Band called EngineHead....
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modok
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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The spring plate is in the same spot.
If the tires hit the fender you need different wheel backspace, pull the tires in. |
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TinCanFab
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| Fowvay wrote: |
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| swing axle cars look badass when slammed |
I'm not picking on you or anything but are you saying you actually like the acute angles created by slamming a swinger?
I personally much prefer the straight up and down of an IRS rear end for slamming as it gives a much better contact patch and doesnt make it look like the rear wheels are broken.
Tom aka Fowvay |
Amen to that. Camber is a ridiculous look. To each his own, but I've always thought it looks like something is broken. Not to mention the litany of mechanical issues that go along with it. I saw a post the other day of a guy who made his own front end. Impressive work, but in the end, the front wheels had camber too! Dumbest look I've ever seen. The only thing worse than camber on the rear wheels is camber on the front too. Again, to each his own. It's not for me.
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I agree, too low on a swing axle is not my taste on the rear. I like it when the negative camber is close to the stock angle of positive camber. If you drive any swing axle, there's always someone who thinks it's broken. When I drive my single cab at stock height, people think the same thing when the top of the tires point out. I had a low tire tire once and didn't notice, but several people behind me did. It just made the camber look more extreme. Very annoying explaining it sometimes, but oh well.
I would really dig IRS setups if only they weren't so damn wide! I hate when a lowered IRS car looks like the tire is constantly rubbing the rim. If someone could come up with a narrow setup that didn't require hacking the torsion, it would sell! If you wanna be low, short swing axle and narrowed front end is the only one that keeps the tires off the fenders. That's why it's still so popular.
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| germanpride wrote: |
| swing axle cars look badass when slammed |
I'm not picking on you or anything but are you saying you actually like the acute angles created by slamming a swinger?
I personally much prefer the straight up and down of an IRS rear end for slamming as it gives a much better contact patch and doesnt make it look like the rear wheels are broken.
Tom aka Fowvay |
Amen to that. Camber is a ridiculous look. To each his own, but I've always thought it looks like something is broken. Not to mention the litany of mechanical issues that go along with it. I saw a post the other day of a guy who made his own front end. Impressive work, but in the end, the front wheels had camber too! Dumbest look I've ever seen. The only thing worse than camber on the rear wheels is camber on the front too. Again, to each his own. It's not for me.
JAM
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zuk
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Swing Axle VS. IRS !! Beat this to death.. |
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here's a good vid showing the m151 military jeep which orginaly cam with a swing arm suspension, shows how the swing arm performs, they then switched to a IFS per say
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My guess is that by "engines" they meant the steam cylinders that drive the pistons and connecting rods to the wheels. Strange terminology since by that time (the 1880's) surely people referred to steam locomotives as "engines" and not as "motors". They may also have meant "motor" to be a small self-contained and self-propelled vehicle. In any case I was just messin' with you. 
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Maybe not today, but...
From Scientific American from the 1890's:
A Steam Street Railway Motor
While in Paris, President Yerkes, of the North Chicago Street Railway Company, purchased a noiseless steam motor, the results in experimenting with which will be watched with great interest. The accompanying engraving, for which we are indebted to the Street Railway Review, gives a very accurate idea of the general external appearance. The car is all steel throughout, except windows, doors and ceiling. It is 12 ft. long, 8 ft. wide, and 9 ft. high, and weighs about seven tons. The engines, which have 25 horse power and are of the double cylinder pattern, are below the floor and connected directly to the wheels. The wheels are four in number and 31 in. in diameter. The internal appearance and general arrangement of machinery, etc., is about that of the ordinary steam dummy. It will run in either direction, and the exhaust steam is run through a series of mufflers which suppress the sound, condense the steam and return the water to the boiler, which occupies the center of the car. The motor was built in Ghent, Belgium, and cost about $5,000, custom house duties amounting to about $2,000 more. - The Railway Review.
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They are contradicting themselves aren't they ! Describing the motive power the coach uses it say's:
The engines, which have 25 horse power and are of the double cylinder pattern, are below the floor and connected directly to the wheels. The wheels are four in number and 31 in. in diameter. The internal appearance and general arrangement of machinery. |
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| ....I mean you wouldn't call a steam engine a steam motor would you? |
Maybe not today, but...
From Scientific American from the 1890's:
A Steam Street Railway Motor
While in Paris, President Yerkes, of the North Chicago Street Railway Company, purchased a noiseless steam motor, the results in experimenting with which will be watched with great interest. The accompanying engraving, for which we are indebted to the Street Railway Review, gives a very accurate idea of the general external appearance. The car is all steel throughout, except windows, doors and ceiling. It is 12 ft. long, 8 ft. wide, and 9 ft. high, and weighs about seven tons. The engines, which have 25 horse power and are of the double cylinder pattern, are below the floor and connected directly to the wheels. The wheels are four in number and 31 in. in diameter. The internal appearance and general arrangement of machinery, etc., is about that of the ordinary steam dummy. It will run in either direction, and the exhaust steam is run through a series of mufflers which suppress the sound, condense the steam and return the water to the boiler, which occupies the center of the car. The motor was built in Ghent, Belgium, and cost about $5,000, custom house duties amounting to about $2,000 more. - The Railway Review.
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The 1966 Volkswagen Type 1 is the acme of automotive evolution.
It incorporates both a motor and an engine and utilizes swing arm rear suspension. Attempts to better the swing arm technology in 1967 began the
de-evolutionary slide of the Type 1 leading to plastic dashboards, round windshields, petroleum based seat cushions, Macpherson struts and devices that emitted noises when the doors were opened.
I long for the days of chromed metal bumpers, wooden boats and Latin mass.
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The 1966 Volkswagen Type 1 is the acme of automotive evolution.
It incorporates both a motor and an engine and utilizes swing arm rear suspension. Attempts to better the swing arm technology in 1967 began the
de-evolutionary slide of the Type 1 leading to plastic dashboards, round windshields, petroleum based seat cushions, Macpherson struts and devices that emitted noises when the doors were opened.
I long for the days of chromed metal bumpers, wooden boats and Latin mass.
FG
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