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radioman Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2004 Posts: 430 Location: Irmo, SC
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:10 am Post subject: steering gear box leak/repair |
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73 Thing. I checked the lube in my steering gear box= dry. Added 90w gear oil which is now leaking (handily) apparently from the area where the roller steering shaft (in the gear box) connects to the steering drop arm. My Thing parts book says there is a "seal" at this connection (311 415 297 VW pn). I assume that this seal is the problem. Any one got a fix? Can you get the seal and what's involved in replacing it. What if I just foreget about it? Can the seal be replaced with pulling the engine, redoing the brakes and having the car repainted? _________________ It's a Southern Thing, 73, stock.
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keifernet Samba Search & Rescue
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 19395 Location: Samba Center for Behavioral Science
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure it can... if you can find the seal available.
That's why I was saying use the lubriplate 105... I've used it for many years on old boxes and never had a problem lub wise... although on hot summer days it will drip a little "juice" when the stuff gets warm.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86441&highlight=box |
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radioman Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2004 Posts: 430 Location: Irmo, SC
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Kief: I picked up some Lucas leak stop for PS units but haven't tried it. If I siphoned the 90w out and put in Lubricplate 105, do you have any feeling that might get me around fighting with the seal (if I could get it)? _________________ It's a Southern Thing, 73, stock.
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keifernet Samba Search & Rescue
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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You know I'm not for sure if 90 wt was what really is supposed to be in the steering box. I always assumed it was a grease ( judging by a few I took the top off to see what was inside during my formative experimental years!
I do not think that powerrsteering stop leak is gonna do much ( but run right out) myself... but I have never tried it so go ahead and proceed.
you could just use compressed air and cover the top with rags and remove both plugs and shoot the air through one hole with a rubber tipped blower and force the oil out that way. then try the lubriplate.
I have always managed to get between 1/2 and 3/4 of a tube into the box ( by adding it slowly and tapping the box with a hammer and waitng for it to settle) and they keep on truckin and get real smooth. |
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radioman Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2004 Posts: 430 Location: Irmo, SC
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Put about 1/2 cup of Lucas PS leak stop in last night. Seems to have slowed the leak. Will check again in the morning. I will continue to add it until either its all gone or the leak stops! Can't hurt!. We'll see. _________________ It's a Southern Thing, 73, stock.
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germansupplyscott Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2004 Posts: 7093 Location: toronto
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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the seal is available at a seal and bearing shop. you have to take the box apart to replace it, but the seal is pretty standard.
when i restored my thing i rebuilt the box, replacing both of the seals, and i got them from a bearing shop for a few bucks each. i just took them to the shop and they matched them up. not sure if the metric sizes are a problme stateside, we are metric in canada. the little plastic plugs in the top cover are still available from the dealer. _________________ SL |
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radioman Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2004 Posts: 430 Location: Irmo, SC
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Scott and others: Used the Lucas PS Leak Stop. After two days....no leakage! Now may not last but I didn't have to tear the steering gear box down. This stuff is amazing. Used it on my wife's Buick PS and had the same results.If the leak returns, I'll just add a bit more. _________________ It's a Southern Thing, 73, stock.
Bill |
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keifernet Samba Search & Rescue
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 19395 Location: Samba Center for Behavioral Science
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Ahh yeah, the thick red shit... I diddn't catch the lucas in the first post... I thought maybe you put some thinner power steering fluid type leak stuff in.
That shoud do it!
I have had great success with Lucas products in my daily commuter and pickup and air cooled rides... |
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Buckly Samba Member
Joined: September 14, 2004 Posts: 1030 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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So where can this lucas stuff go. Do they make it for the engine or the transaxle? _________________ Cool runnins,
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keifernet Samba Search & Rescue
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Buckly Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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can it be used in the engine, trans, gear reduction boxes, just about anywhere? MayberI should ask where shouldn't I use it. _________________ Cool runnins,
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radioman Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Bucky: Lucas may make additives for engine and trans, I don't know. However what I used in my steering gear box is Lucas Power Steering Stop Leak, from my local CarQuest dealer. As you can see it is actually for PS units. But it stopped the hemorage in my steering gear. try their web site www.LucasOil.com _________________ It's a Southern Thing, 73, stock.
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radioman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Bucky: BTW: my steering gear box has begun to leak again....very slightly. Am going to try another shot of Lucas and follow that with topping off the gear box every three months when I change oil. I should replace the box but really don't want to tackle that job. Therefore, I will add fluid as needed and wipe up her leaks _________________ It's a Southern Thing, 73, stock.
Bill |
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