Distributor Question

[penthink]

I have the damnable 009 in my '78 2.0, and would like to revert back to the original distributor that came with that engine.

Does anyone know what the model number was? Any good sources?

Thanks,
Mike

[Glenn]

http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ignition.htm#B7679


Bus & Pickup Late 1976-1978 All States, 1979 Federal * 2000

Note: This Distributor also fits Type 4 (412) 1974
Distributor: VW 021-905-205P, Bosch 0231 168 005 > 022-905-205S, 0231 170 093
Note: 0231 170 093 dist primarily used on California Late 1976-1978 and all Federal 1979 Models
Can Use:
Points: 01 011
Condensor: 02 074
Rotor: 04 033
Note: 0231 168 005 dist originally equipped with Speed Limiting Rotor 04 016 (5400rpm)
Dust Cover: 039-905-241, Bosch 1230 500 139 > 1230 500 147
Cap: 03 010
Distributor Cap Clip: 034-905-265, Bosch 1231 251 033
Parts Kit (Shims, Washers & Hardware): 059-998-211, Bosch 1237 010 007
Coil: 00 012
Vacuum Can: 07 060
Ignition Wires: 09 171
Spark Plug: W8CC
Timing Set At:: 7.5deg BTDC @ 850-950 rpm (Man Trans), 900-1000 rpm (Auto Trans) w/strobe, vacuum hose connected
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 8.5-11deg Adv @ 7.9 In. Hg; Centrifugal: 8-13deg @ 1600 rpm, 20.5-24.5 @ 3400 rpm
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74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"

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[VWBusrepairman]

[penthink]

I would like to say I agree, but I would be talking bulls***, because I don't know what I am talking about. "RandyinMaine" took a look at it and immediately said I should get rid of it and get back to the original equipment, with the vacuum hose and all of that. And because he has made my bus about fifty times better already, I am looking to buy one. Does anyone know where I can find one? I think I saw one on Busdepot, but they were like $450. Is that right?

[Glenn]

Salvage yard. Many of them are on the internet and you can ask them if they have any.

Russ' Recycling http://www.vdubjunkie.com/
Way Out Salvage http://www.wayoutsalvage.com/

Damn... I can't believe that i'm posting in the Bay Window Forum. Mr. Breeze will never believe it.
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74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"

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[Randy in Maine]

You can do better than $400....

http://www.busdepot.com/busdepot/details.jsp?partnumber=300914

http://www.air-cooled.com/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=IGD0006&cartid=

They call him "The Breeze" will be giving you a talking to.

[Duncwarw]

First, I'd like to say that the 009 is okay for airplanes, generators, and dragsters and it makes a nice paperweight too.

I bought the SVDA from Aircooled. Probably the link Randy suggested.
No comparison. Don't spend $400 unless you want to buy two.

[penthink]

Thanks again Randy. Hey - I have a suggestion. Since I don't seem to be able to find my a** with both my hands, why I don't I just give you the bus, and my checkbook, and you go ahead and restore it and get it right, then on the occasional Sunday you can take me out for a ride in it. How's that sound?

Mike

[Randy in Maine]

Just send the checkbook!

[VWBusrepairman]

Not too long ago someone was selling vacuum advance distributors for something around $100 or so. Seems a lot of bus people don't like to spend money on their beloved buses- c'mon, it's only money and it will make the bus happy.
Who cares what a wife thinks, females just don't understand this just as we might not comprehend why they enjoy shopping so much. Wife might mind, but your girlfriend won't as she wants the bus to last as well for those who are into late night bus affairs! woo hoo!

[penthink]

Oh, now you've hurt Gertrude's feelings. Now I'm going to have to spend a couple extra hours massaging her with the random orbit sander to make her feel better again. Her happiness, like my fiance's, seems to be directly linked to that checkbook! heh heh.

As for the distributor issue, when ordering, should I get new points, condensor, and the vacuum hose that will run from the distributor to the connection point? Or will the points and condensor I just bought do the trick?
m

[penthink]

To say that my fiance doesn't understand my affair with my bus just might qualify for the understatement of the year. But then again, I could care less about a pair of damned shoes that cost $145, so it's a sort of quid pro quo situation.

Then again, she doesn't ask me to wear those shoes every time we leave the house, and I do ask her to ride in the bus every time we go somewhere.

Oh well, the pain of commitment comes in many forms I suppose.

[Duncwarw]

If I remember right (not likely), the SVDA used the same stuff as the 009. In fact, my Pertronix fits both but don't take my word for it. It's somewhere in the write up on Aircooled's site, I think.

[Randy in Maine]

Just order the new dizzy with the correct petronics unit so you don't have to set points all of the time. Best money you will ever spend.

[clark42]

Out of curiousity, I too am in a similar situation. I've already installed my vacuum distributor (what a world of difference that made!) and after dealing with (semi hit and miss to set for me) points for the last few months, I'm ready to get the pertronix unit.

So my question is, although I can use the 009 points and condenser for my distributor, should I get the unit for Vacuum distributors or 009 distributor? Also, should I upgrade the coil as well? I currently have a Bosch Blue Coil.

Cheers, Clark

[nemobuscaptain]

009 is, basically, a dizzy off an industrial engine designed for only one rpm. Perfect for wide open use, pretty marginal for anything else. But you know that already.

Rebuilt dizzies vary in quality. I think Ron at busdepot posted to the type2 list about some issues he's had. I don't think ANY of the rebuilders use custom specs for the various years of the VW engine. Most use the same guts for every dizzy. In other words, even if the dizzy came off late T4 bus, it will likely have the curve of a single vacuum beetle.

I have a new 034 dizzy. This is available from Ronnie at type2parts.com, but I think you have to call or email him. It's not listed on his site. The 034 is the dizzy of the Mexican beetle. Aircooled.net may also have these available. I think they are the basis for the SVDA. John at AC.net claims they custom tune the curve for the T1 or T4 engine. In any event, the 034 is much mo betta than a 009.

Rebuilt or new, you'll have to check total advance as compared to what the stock dizzy should be. You may guestimate the advance curve at various rpm also.

I also have a Pertronix. It replaces the points, nothing more. It doesn't give you a "high performance ignition system" or otherwise change the spark characteristics. My 034 takes the vacuum dizzy version of the pertonix. I believe the 034 based SVDA would do the same. If you are worried about the SVDA, ask John. He's quick to give very indepth help.

[DanWesty]

Nemo, is this the 034 you're talking about? It's a new bosch mexican beetle distributor. I've also heard that the timing curve matches the curve used for late model FI type 4 engines fairly closely. I'm also looking to replace my 009 but I don't want to spend extra money on an aircooled.net SVDA if this one is basically the same thing at a cheaper price.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC%2D043%2D905%2D205
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[Tyler 5447]

I am currently running a new 034 from CIP1 on my 71 and am very happy with it. It is much better than the 009 that I used to run. I get a little better gas mileage and smoother acceleration. I have also installed this distributor on a few type 4 powered busses with similar results.

[Glenn]

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