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William Mercer Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: SVDA Distributor |
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I just bought a single vacuum advance distributor for 2.0 FI. It arrived just before dark so I haven't had much time to work with it. So far I have put a new condenser and points in it and tried to install it unsuccessfully. I cleaned everything off really well and greased the o ring also. I instsalled it in the engine. I also timed it statically to get in the ballpark. My question is this: Can the rotor go in two different ways? By this I mean can the shaft position be 180 degrees different? I think that's what I was having a problem with. When I turned it as far counter clockwise (enough to run into the cold start valve) it started briefly. I could not start it but again, it was getting cold and dark. Thanks. |
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ratwell Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2003 Posts: 8717 Location: Victoria, BC
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: SVDA Distributor |
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William Mercer wrote: |
I just bought a single vacuum advance distributor for 2.0 FI. It arrived just before dark so I haven't had much time to work with it. So far I have put a new condenser and points in it and tried to install it unsuccessfully. |
Wait until tomorrow although if you are replacing a 009 I understand your eagerness to get it as far away from the engine as possible.
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I cleaned everything off really well and greased the o ring also. I instsalled it in the engine. I also timed it statically to get in the ballpark. My question is this: Can the rotor go in two different ways? |
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By this I mean can the shaft position be 180 degrees different? |
Only if it was assembled incorrectly. The only way the distributor can be installed incorrectly is if the drive pinion below it isn't index correctly.
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I think that's what I was having a problem with. When I turned it as far counter clockwise (enough to run into the cold start valve) it started briefly. I could not start it but again, it was getting cold and dark. Thanks. |
Sounds like an indexing problem. _________________ '78 Westfalia CDN
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William Mercer Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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How would i install it correctly if it is an index problem? I know I had the dist. in the correct position. Vacuum can facing to the right. |
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VWBusrepairman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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You mentioned contacting your cold start with your advance on your distributor (too far advance, I think)...as an orientation reference, mine is approx. 1/2" or about a finger width away from the thermostat flap control rod for running position. (I can put my finger on the rod and the vacuum line at the same time) Of course, the dist. gear can be off a few degrees as well and no two engines might be the same...but this is where my 2 liter runs. Not too much room to swivel your dist. but enough to make it run.
Static should get you to start...then the lite will fine tune... |
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William Mercer Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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I know that was too far advanced but it was the only time it would even start at all. When I backed it off it died. Got to be a simple thing though. |
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VWBusrepairman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a pic of what I was trying to say...the line is close to the rod...nevermind the "Kentucky chrome" on the fan housing!
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William Mercer Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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It seemed to run okay with the 009 but I am really looking forward to the vacuum advance of the stock system. If the drive pinion isn't indexed correctly, then what can I do to install the stock distributor? |
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ratwell Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Set the engine to TDC #1 by looking at the valves. Compare the position of the pinion to the case parting line as per Bentley (12 degrees IIRC).
I believe the pinion has 12 teeth so off by one would mean the distributor is rotated an extra 30 degrees from normal. _________________ '78 Westfalia CDN
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65BAJA Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2003 Posts: 660 Location: SHINGLE SPRINGS,CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Make sure the plug wires are on the cap in the correct order/position. Maybe it just that the wires are on the cap 180* out. _________________ All the good deals in the world will still make you poor.
I'll finish it!... Some day....
Edit, I started in 2003 and still haven't built a driving Baja. lol |
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William Mercer Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: |
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When I set to TDC per valves do I need to adjust the timing mark if it is off and will I be able to adjust timing then? I guess i will just have to try to mess with it tomorrow. I am getting too frustrated tonight. Thanks again for the replies. |
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JT Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:13 am Post subject: |
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I bought and installed an SVDA dizzy. I found it to be 90 degrees off from stock. I changed the sparkplug wires to correct this and timed it as a stock dizzy.Works great now. JT |
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William Mercer Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Can you tell by the valves that it is 90 degrees off? And did you just change all of the plug wires by one space on the cap? |
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VWBusrepairman Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:24 am Post subject: |
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for setting you distributor orientation, all you are concerned with is that it is on top dead center where no. 1 fires. Your valves will be fully closed at this time-check for lash. You can ultuimately place your distributor anywhere that it will physically fit as long as you know where no. 1 fires...then route your wires...1, 4, 3, 2 for correct firing order.
I like the 12º reference from the parting of the case, but you don't "have to" have it exactly that way- it just seems to allow for a better swivel since the fan housing, cold start, etc. is in such a tight fit.
Good luck with this! |
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ratwell Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:14 am Post subject: |
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JT wrote: |
I bought and installed an SVDA dizzy. I found it to be 90 degrees off from stock. I changed the sparkplug wires to correct this and timed it as a stock dizzy.Works great now. JT |
This is a problem if your distributor is a new beetle unit and not a used unit from another bus. The vacuum can on the beetle distributor went on the left.
Orient the can so it's in the same position as stock (rotating it clockwize 90 or 180 degrees while aiming the rotor towards the fan shroud. Insert into the case with the valves at TDC #1 and the mark on the distrubutor body will be in the wrong spot, no matter.
If you rotated 90 degrees, put #4 wire where the mark on the body lies and put 3-2-1 in the other positions, in order clockwise. If 180 degrees is your ideal position, put #3 where the mark is located and put in the rest of the wires, 2-1-4. _________________ '78 Westfalia CDN
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William Mercer Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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I can't thank you guys enough. I changed the plug wires once I found TDC. It is working great. New plugs, wires, condenser and points (for the time being) I can't belive what a difference. Thanks again. |
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